romansh

I can ... but which would make this a better world?

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Astral

Interesting question. The one that is correct makes it a better world. You can window dress a falsity up all nice and pretty but no matter how great it looks, false is false.

romansh

I did not quite understand your answer

which one do you think will make it a better world?

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Astral

I said that the correct commandment makes it a better world. Are you trying to fish the answer out? I am sure someone here knows the correct one besides myself.

romansh

So your answer is whichever the bible says will make the world better.

Killing people so long as it does not break the letter of the law is OK?

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marmalade

For a discussion such as this, we need to speak on grounds of evidence. in this case, this means ancient texts and archaeological evidence:

Ancient Texts
- There are texts older than the Bible.
- As far as I know, the Bible wasn't the first text to mention animal sacrifice.
(If I'm incorrect, please quote a scholar making this claim.)

Archaeological Evidence
- The Israelites are far from the oldest culture on the planet.
- Cultures that preceded them had customs and practices very similar to later Jewish ones.
- According to a modern scientific understanding of time and causation, later events following from earlier ones are considered strong corroborating evidence of a cause and effect relationship.

This may be the general consensus of Christian scholars, but this is obviously a biased opinion. There are English translations based on earlier texts than were used for the KJV. Plus, scholarship has immensely developed since the time of that translation. It may be the only translation you're familiar with... but if you're unwilling to study other translations, its of no specific concern of ours.

I understand there are many translations out there and many of them are not that good. Its difficult keeping up. However, considering there are more scholarly translations than the KJV, why wouldn't you want to study those translations?

romansh

Let me rephrase the question ....which one would make it an even better world? I am after your thoughts.

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Astral

Let me clear up an issue here. Your ignorance on the subject is plain and painful, perhaps you should just wait until another person posts here before continuing with me. In the meantime I would recommend that you check out the definitions of those 2 words. I posted to provide an example of how words over time change meaning and you decide to make it a pissing contest?

romansh

I don't follow your drift

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tommi atkins

Hi Astral, OK lets use King James.

Leviticus 1 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 1
1And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,

2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.

3If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.

4And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.

5And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

6And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.

The most accurate account according to you , here speaks of killing a animal, sprinkling its blood and whipping the burnt peices in atonement. In payment for sin. Theres no reminder of the wages of sin, theres no having a nice BBQ because your hungry. It's Man or Woman has displeased god and only the death of a animal or in lots of cases the killing of humans, will atone for that.

There is no doubt that God wants us to kill animals when we do bads. So why dont we do this today?

Umm, and the Noah point. About his cull of 1.4 million creatures after the ark landed.

Regards

Tommi