Mortalsfool

It is phenomenal that the human mind has envisioned a being superior to ourselves, meaning god [s], but it is far more fantastic that we have diluted our concepts of God to a level where our present views present us with a God that is everything except benevolent. It is as if when God said ‘let there be life’, he concluded the sentence with, ‘and let it metamorphous into stupidity’.

We can’t easily relate our modern concept of god to the gods of Greece or Rome; they cavorted, they loved, they argued, and generally played out their omnipotent powers with abandon. We however, are mired in the ecclesiastical delusions of men that forged for themselves a God whose empire is founded on promises they can never see fulfilled. They have subjugated the weaker minds to their vain imaginings bringing about more horror than the ancient gods could have imagined. Subservience to the modern concepts of god are nothing more than ‘tools’ used to dominate peoples lives.

As example; It is a sad thing for us, that the first thing Adam judged poorly was sex. When God said that the tree of knowledge would open man’s mind, giving him the ability of discerning between good and evil, he did not indicate to Adam that ‘anything’ specific was bad or sin. Including sex! The first thing that Adam did was cover his nakedness. This response points out that Adam had judged for the first time, and made a very poor judgement at that. God had not said anything was wrong, but he did warn that the awesome power of the two edged sword of knowledge would be unleashed. The ability to judge between ‘good’ and ‘bad’.

The first act to be judged by Adam shows the self-caused harm that judgement when exercised poorly causes. Starting with that first mis-judgement until this present time, all sex has been stifled. It was implanted as a guilt, and that attitude is still propagated by those that assume the position of authority figures, who still continue their work, ‘fervently’ propagating such perverse judgements. What child is told not to ‘touch himself’? What person is not aware of the vast variety of Catholic-like imposed feelings of guilt? Our society is warped, not by the real sexual aspects of our humanity, but by those ‘leaders’ that feel the need to expiate their own sins by condemning the harmless acts of others. Think about how perverted the judgement of ‘self-abuse’ is. These people that judge the ‘sinners’, are the ones that wear their sexuality like chains of bondage brought out for prurient episodes, kept well hidden from the outside world, to whom they advocate openness and confession.

I read a quote that said, "The man who lacks confidence cries out for a leader". Is that us?

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Derbonic

I like this question. What are the underlying reasons people stay or become deist? If its confidence , where does this lack there of come from? How much does the incorporation of religious groups come into play? What % of children would become theist if never introduced to the concept?

The words Opression of Spirit come to mind , but I dont generally like to use that vocabulary.

Anyway. I thought I would bump this up for a second chance.

Mortalsfool

I think, in fact know, that it's very comforting to believe. I think that the lack of confidence comes from a lack of preparation that too many of our youth have for the real worlds demands.

There is a lot of research about 'the god gene' that is proposed as causing us to seek or create a god. I don't know a lot more than that about it, but it's interesting. It still leaves the question whether or not 'god' put it there for a reason, or if it's just a natural evolutionary development for social needs.

I think that 'Oppression of Spirit' highlights something that could be in my opinion a mistake; suppose that 'a spirit' or 'higher power' does in fact have an interface with humanity, and it is just another sense we don't easily acknowledge, but all too easily dismiss.

Og

That's an interesting interpretation. I tend to think that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a metaphor for the creation of human consciousness out of a hugely complex brain. I tend to think of it as the rise of categories of thought and dichotomy. The notion that animals live in the present moment and don't have any concept of future or past (with some exceptions obviously, us included).

I tend to view the fig leaf as a notion of distinction between self and not-self.. This fundamental notion of an identity that has a boundary and how being bare is being vulnerable. I don't really see any mention of sexual intercourse or anything in the story.

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Mortalsfool

I think that those types of thought didn’t come until much later then the stories were written. Our concepts of ‘self’ and ‘other’ didn’t arrive until fairly recent times, possibly as late as Sigmond Freuds creation of ‘ego’. Of course I’m not sure when we deduced our complex natures; just a loose comment until further info.

Og

Huh? There have been territorial wars and in groups and out groups for all of human history. What do you mean self/other are recent ideas?

__________________
Vi veri veniversum vivus vici. (By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe)
The self is not a fixed entity but a dynamic process of relationships
You & I, no distinction. - Tat Tvam Asi
Become Who You Are

Mortalsfool

I was pretty much referring to the Adam and Eve story, it being certainly older than our studies about our multiple personalities [others]. I don't pretend to know when we learned about 'us'.