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09-19-2006, 09:19 AM
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|  Just how Free is Free Will?
If God is perfect and he created man imperfect how could a book that we translated for God be perfect in any way? And how can there be such a thing as Divine intervention if God gave us Free will. | 
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09-19-2006, 11:20 AM
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That is a question that I cannot answer but I would like to see what people have to say and if anyone CAN answer this | |
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09-19-2006, 12:02 PM
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It depends on who you talk to and what day it is....
Honestly you can't even classify every christian as the same. There's evangelicals and moderates. Then there is the vast array of christian sects i.e. catholic, protestant, baptist etc.
They all have their different ways of looking at the bible and it's different versions. Most will try to argue the bible logically until they realize they can't win that argument then they'll switch and try to argue that the bible isn't meant to be taken literally.
So when you ask someone why they believe in the bible you'll generally find yourself going round and round in that circle.
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09-19-2006, 12:51 PM
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George is right. Not all Christian denominations teach the doctrine of free will or free agency, and there is no hard and fast agreement on what would constitute divine intervention.
Obviously for Christian churches that teach the doctrine of the elect, the position of the free-willers (who believe anyone may come to God and be accepted) holds no real importance. | |
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09-19-2006, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mtatum4496  George is right. Not all Christian denominations teach the doctrine of free will or free agency, and there is no hard and fast agreement on what would constitute divine intervention.
Obviously for Christian churches that teach the doctrine of the elect, the position of the free-willers (who believe anyone may come to God and be accepted) holds no real importance. | who teaches the doctrine of the elect?
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Presbyterians believe in a doctrine called predestination. Some are predestined for heaven, some for hell regardless of their actions or will.
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09-19-2006, 05:07 PM
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| Not sure what you're asking...
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Originally Posted by Maggielle If God is perfect and he created man imperfect how could a book that we translated for God be perfect in any way? And how can there be such a thing as Divine intervention if God gave us Free will. | Are you asking: since man isn't perfect, his translations cant be perfect?
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09-19-2006, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DizzyDee Presbyterians believe in a doctrine called predestination. Some are predestined for heaven, some for hell regardless of their actions or will. | pshh, nobody is presbyterian anymore!
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09-19-2006, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by }SoC{Sumguy pshh, nobody is presbyterian anymore! |  LOL! I guess all the presbyterian churches are full of .... nobodies?
You're funny.
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09-20-2006, 10:29 AM
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Yes, that is kind of what I'm saying. By Genesis the creation of man is in God's likeness save for he is imperfect (proven by Jesus) and he has free will (proven by Eve). So if these things are true, even if God planted the words in our mind we cannot prove that they are to be held as perfect truth because man himself is not perfect. | |
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