sisterX

Geshtin, so it is being "coocoo in the head" to believe in heaven and hell. Thats pretty rich coming from a devil-worshipper. I wonder if invisible would even move in with her mother if she was a satanist.

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debdodd

as long as you live with your mom just ignore it. your child won't be brain washed ... like everyone says .. he won't remember your Mom trying to sell him on religion but he will remember the fighting between the two of you.

Practice tolerance and teach you child tolerance ... that's what I did with my son. the parents tried to sell it, I didn't believe in it but when he asked me I said God means something to everyone and as he got older he would be able to decide what he believed in. When he was little and ask me what I believed in, I told him it was more importnat what he believed ... you don't want your mom to make him believe one way and you should make him believe the way you do .... it's his path ... love him, teach him tolerance, about being open minded to other people's, beliefs, cultures, etc and you will raise a happy, mentally healthy child who lets people believe what they want without thinking he has all the answers.

Your mom is doing you a favor letting you live with her why do you feel the need to challege what she says, bait her if you will but it will only makes things worse. Just tell her that you're glad religion works for her and stop telling her what you believe .... she'll only want to change you or critcize you so why raise to the occasion? Seems like the two of you are still having the mother/ daughter battle .... as long as you keep it up she'll make your life mniserable ... if you just let her have her say, she'll get tired of it sooner or later and leave you alone. ....

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Geshtinnanna

You misunderstand me. I don't think that. But practical advice was asked for. And lots of parents have told their children not to listen to old auntie so and so etc.

And I am not a Devil Worshipper. I am a Satanist. There is a difference. My mom knows I am a Satanist and loves me just fine.

I can understand you getting defensive. I have no hate of Christians.

On an aside I will learn to add more smilies so people don't fly off the deep end

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sisterX

Geshti it's not only you, many people in here seem to imply that one has to be mad to believe in God. Even invisible seems to think her child needs protection from God. But what she forgets is that he will make that decision all on his own no matter how much she tries to shelter him. 60% of the world is not crazy we just have different beliefs to you. I understand you want to give practical advice but telling a child his grandmother is mad when she is perfectly sane, is not what i call practical. But hey, sorry if i misunderstood you.

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niranjan

I think character must be taught to a child first, rather than belief in God or any organized religion.

He should be taught to think for himself and respect all life on earth without any discrimination and revere nature as well.

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Geshtinnanna

Oh I can understand feeling defensive about that. It sucks. Trust me..being a Satanist people say things about me all the time...especially Christians sadly.

As for Invisible, she does have a right to bring her child up in any religion she wants. And most of us want to raise our child in our own faith, no matter what that faith is. Wouldn't you be upset if I was trying to raise your kid knowing all kinds of stuff about Satanism? I would understand later in life they would need to broaden their world view. But as a child, you are being formed into the human being you will grow to be. And no one has a right to form that other then the parents. So as we may not agree with the religion chosen, we must respect the parent/child relationship and call it sacred.

And in the real world parents tell their kids all kinds of things about grandparents to keep the peace. I've heard grandpa telling war stories and talking about the dead. And mom's saying grandpa didn't kill all those people, don't feel bad. We let kids know as much as they can handle. You can't introduce a very different set of beliefs to a child that goes against what you are raising him to be. Again, when he's older he can make those decisions, I agree. But for the time being the parent is the one who makes those decisions.

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sisterX

Of course you are right, i wouldn't want to expose my children to certain things, i'm even considering sending them to a faith school so yeah you are absolutely right. I was just disagreeing with the "grandma is coocoo" bit. But i think there are much worse things a child can be exposed to than religion. Some parents will happily smoke and drink in front of their kids. Allow them to watch violent films, listen to music inciting violence and antisocial behaviour and play violent video games, but lo and behold if their child turns to religion it is the end of the world. To me it depends on what the religion teaches, but most religions out the teach peace and good will, they are just misinterpreted by nutters alot of the time.

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"But as for me (I believe) that He is Allah, my Lord, and I shall associate none as partner with my Lord." Surah Al-Kahf verse 38. Holy Quran

debdodd

true enough about what you say about her right to raise her child how she wants but then again .... she is living in her mother's house ..... she could at least be tolerant and non-combative with her mother about it. The other option is to move out ....... then her mother has no say. If she has to live her Mom for a while maybe she needs to just suck it up and shut up? It has always been .... my house, my rules with most parents ... if she doesn't like it then move out. She can always get federal assistance to live on her own with her child .... what do you want to bet that it isn't an option she wants to explore?

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

Geshtinnanna

Agreed. It's her mom's house and her mom's rule. Religion is not a rule to follow. That's a personal and private choice ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT.

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Geshtinnanna

Double post. Sorry. Different responses. I agree with you. There are worse things than religion to deal with. And..sometimes religion is the worse thing on the planet..depending on how ugly the human heart interpreting the religion is.

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