debdodd

I can tell you for a fact that they don't do brain scans every time they declare a time of death ...... even once they "pull the plug" and there is no brain activity your body goes on living longer ... I just don't remember how long it is .... that's why I ask Og ... he is usually a well spring of information on anything brain related information ... I think scientists are rethinking the whole time of death thing .....

like I said I don't remember where I read it or just what but I know something recently went thru my brain about the whole time of death issue ... some kind of scientific study ... damn I'm getting old ... I just don't recall things like I used to ..

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StuckInThe90s

Ghosts are 1 of 3 things.

1)A person hearing/seeing/sensing something that really isn't there because of a variety of different reasons, sometimes though not all the time linked with people who suffer from schizophrenia and the like.

2)Residual hauntings. These are sort of "echoes" from the past. They're not really a person soul or essence or whatever you'd like to call it. Residual haunting are kind of like events from the past that are on a loop of sorts similar to a song on a CD player that's put on a loop. These "ghosts" can't interact with you because technically they're not really there.

3)The soul of a once living person(sometimes but rarely animals too).

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debdodd

and you know this how ..... no disrespect intended, I know you're new here ... is this your opinion or do you have something to validate these statements?

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StuckInThe90s

Whoops, sorry. Guess I should have made it more clear. Just my opinion.

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debdodd

no, really no "sorry" necessary ... I was just curious if you had any data to back what you posted ... I am always looking to learn something new so if you had evidence, then I would be interested in it .... seriously, no apology necessary .... it's great seeing you post on the threads ... your opinions count just as much as anyone else's

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duck

Opinions are always welcome!

Just get ready to be questioned when you voice them.

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Og

There's no line where you can say "dead vs alive." Life is no different than a rock or a tree or a star. It's an animated form of matter with highly specific signal transduction tools at its surface (senses) and a processing system inside.

The notion that it's a separate thing with an intrinsic identity that can "end" doesn't make much sense when talking about life/death/ghosts/etc. This is one of those reasons that shows like the terminator and stargate really annoy me. In the temrinator, the boundary of the body is understood as the intrinsic self. When they're sent back in time, all but that boundary and what is contained inside is sent (i.e. they show up naked).

When your heart stops beating, oxygen stops going to your brain. Cells in your brain rapidly die and cease to function. It's NOT a clean process, so parts of your brain start dieing first and these parts stop sending their signals into other parts and you get all manner of confusing signals going on as your brain shuts down (i.e. near death experiences).

There's nothing "finito" about it, in my opinion. That my sensory inputs stop functioning and that my synapses no longer retain signals from the past is not all that important. There's definitely nothing that "leaves" your body. You can watch any alsheimer's patient to see how this is the case. They have a slow degradation of their brain over time as plaques build up and block off synapses and kill neurons. You can watch these patients and see a successive deconstruction of an individual human being into nothingness.

Death is just a rapid version of that. But how is that "finito?" Certainly your body won't process sensory information around it, but so what? Are you partially dead when you become blind or if you get amnesia? I just think that life/death is poorly understood because people don't understand biology.

In my opinion, we are all flowers that blossom out of the world and are entirely constructed by the world. We are the "fruit of the earth" so to speak. There's nothing intrinsic about you and me. Ultimately, we're all one process. Death is just a state transition. Fundamentally, there's no difference between a rock, the ocean, a star, or a human.

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romansh

once and for all the ego dies?

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debdodd

from what I read above there is a "finito" when every cells is dead you don't go on to be some spirit floating around in an after world .... thus the word finito as in over, done, that's all folks! ... the only thing left behind is the memories you leave your families, grandma's china to pass on, etc but other than that there is nothing left of "you" to go "some where".

I wasn't looking for a biology lesson in cellular deconstruction I know all that. what I was looking for is if you had an opinion on the metaphysical side of it ...

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Og

What do you mean by "metaphysical?" I thought that's what I was commenting on. Ego is an illusion. Self is an illusion. You can't lose these things or have them come to a finale or have them move into some other realm or form when they didn't exist in the first place.

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