Og

False.
False... It happens every night in your dreams.

There's being open minded and then there's being open minded, naive, and uneducated on the topics. "Out of phase?" "Ghosts can manipulate electromagnetic fields?" "Maybe they're pure energy?" These are all either measurable or nonsensical.

"Out of phase" is popular science fiction jargon. Energy is the ability to do work.. It's not a thing separate from the universe. Even photons have momentum. Energy is a relative property of matter and how that matter is susceptible to the forces in the universe.

I never said that schizophrenia was the reason for all ghost sightings. I said that for most of human history, people didn't know anything at all about the real/internal source of hallucinations.

Don't be so open minded that your brain falls out.

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Aaron

It seems more likely to me to be a natural phenomenon. Maybe some sort of kinetic echo, if that holds any validity in the scientific world. I don't know, I am ignorant in all but the baisic laws of energy. Could be some some theory on a "kinetic echo" (for lack of a better word). I don't know, what do you think og?

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Og

Supernatural is a null word. One man's magic is another man's engineering.

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Unbeliever

I disagree completely!

If something can be adequately accounted for by some mundane (non-supernatural) means, then why violate Ockam's Razor and bring in unbelievable stuff and give it priority, much less even any consideration at all?


IF (big IF) ghosts exist, and if they can ever be seen at all, then they cannot be entirely supernatural. They must either emit or reflect photons that interact with someone's eyes. I don't see, in the defintion of supernatural, any mechanism that allows supernatural entities to interact with purely natural objects.

Do you know of any?

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phidelis07

Mental illness only accounts for some experiences, but it does not account for everything, therefor we cannot assume ghosts are purely the creation of someone's brain.

I am still undecided. I was told that as a kid I could be found in the basement playing with a ghost. I would even ask my parents if they could see the ghost i was playing with. You might attribute all that to an over active imagination, but this ghost was seen before I was born. Both my mother and grandmother had seen it previous to my conception. I don't know if they talked about the ghost in front of me, but even so I doubt at the age of 4 i would really understand what they were talking about, and eventually imagine the being they spoke of.


Supernatural

1.of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.


If something is supernatural it is " being above" the natural, and therefore would not have to abide by natural laws. I most likely would consider any sort of being natural, but who knows

xexon

Ghosts have nothing to do with the soul. The soul departs at the instant of death and never lingers.

A ghost is leftover mental energy, which exists as a highly rarified electrical charge. It's so highly rarified, it almost doesn't qualify as matter. Indeed, it is the highest form of physical matter there is. After that, you enter another realm altogether.

This leftover mental energy is the identity of the deceased person. It contains the ego, memories, likes and dislikes. This identity can have a life of it's own for a while before it is reabsorbed into the sea of energy that it came from. It doesn't understand the death of the body and tries to carry on without it sometimes. You can even hold a conversation with some of them. But sooner or later, their batteries will run down because there is no way to keep them charged.

This is where hauntings come from.

No God or devil. No evil or divine.

Just a dissipation of energies.




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romansh

xexon .... by and large your motivational stuff is understandable and I could go along with it. But you are seriously undermining your creditability (at least in my eyes) with this gobbledeegook.

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xexon

I tell people what I see.

This is often quite different than what they've been told.

Just as there are physical laws here in this world, there are laws which also govern the higher realms. I have a scientific/technical background, so I explain things in that way. A meta-physicist point of view.

I tell you the science behind the mythlology.

The world you see around you is a product of energies working in harmony with one another. These energies have a spectrum. This world resides on the lower end of that energy spectrum. While there are worlds below this one, most of creation is above your head like floors in a skyscraper.

You're barely off the ground floor. Your soul is a full time resident of these higher levels, but makes occasional trips down here for the experiences. Death is when the body wears out or is injured beyond repair.

You wear out a pair of socks, you change them. The soul wears out a body, it changes it.

In discarding the old body, you also discard the identity that you built with it. This identity is what I spoke of above. It is electrical in nature, and it slowly loses it's charge over time.

Have you not given any thought as to why there are no "old" ghosts? 200-300 years is about the cut off point for most. There are no ghosts from biblical times or cave man days. Why?

I just told you.



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romansh

You are telling me an interpretation of what (you think) you see?

What is a higher realm?

You should spend a bit more time in Britain ... if you are looking for supposedly older ghosts.

So what are the laws of the higher realms?

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debdodd

Question for you ..... when, or at what point, or instant, do you consider a person dead? Thanks for your input on this .... Deb

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