What are some things that bother you about Christianity? - Page 2

Paul · 06-08-2007, 09:46 PM

I agree that most of the stuff that Christians live by come from the Pauline epistles, but I would say that's because they make up the majority of the New Testement.

As far as misogony, you must have heard someone that has a horrible interpretation. I assume that comes from Timothy and the wives subbmitting to husbands passeges.

I can't speak for everybody claiming to be a Christian, but scripture being God-Breathed is reference to the original autographs. I can't remember the original greek word is, but it does litterally mean God-breathed. Interpretations and translations are not inspired. Copies were subject to human error, but a lot of the errors I think were weeded out.

Interpretation I think is sometimes literal and sometime metaphorical. Depends on the context, but the principles for each should still apply today.

Anywho. Thanks for the book suggestions.

jaej · 06-08-2007, 10:12 PM

I take issue with an all-loving, omnipotent god sending people to hell, people who have never even heard the name 'Jesus Christ'. I have an issue with sin, in that why should we be held accountable for something that god doesn't like? That's all sin is, otherwise there is nothing to prevent god from sinning. I have problems with all the two-facedness and hypocrisy in the church, and dogmatic people who want to shove what they believe down your throat. I also have a major problem with why we're on earth in the first place. If god loves us and wants us to be with him, why does he send people to earth? Why not just create all the people he wants and put them in heaven? Then he can get all the worship his conceited little mind wants, and no one goes to hell.

Paul · 06-08-2007, 10:22 PM

Well, i'm not sure that he "sends" people to hell. Sin is doing something that is wrong. Wrong is wrong no matter how you slice it. You have to remember also, that God created man perfect. It was not until after the fall that we became sinful and separated from God. He wants us to choose to love and follow him, otherwise we'd just be mindless robots. And yessssss, the hipocrisy and two-facedness bugs me to know end. I realize no one is perfect, but be honest with people about who you really are.

jaej · 06-08-2007, 10:28 PM

If we were created perfect, why did we sin? And what prevents god from 'sinning', if he's perfect too? Also, mindless robots? Why is us having 'freewill', which we don't, no matter how you slice it, better? Couldn't god have just as easily made it so 'mindless robots' were happy, not beings with free will? I mean think about it. We couldn't choose any option that was displeasing to either us or god. We would always be happy since we could never choose bad. And god gets his worship because we have no other choice. It's a win-win. So why did god give us 'free will'?

jaej · 06-08-2007, 10:29 PM

Of course he sends people to hell. They don't volunteer! And it's not some sort of natural, involuntary journey.

Paul · 06-08-2007, 10:42 PM

We sin because we choose to. Satan tempted Adam and Eve in the garden, and they gave in. God said don't eat of the fruit from that tree and they disobeyed. God created us to for his pleasure, not ours. Freewill gives us a chance to do that which is the greatest thing. That is to love God and love others. If we did not have free will, we would be denied that choice. Of course there are limitations to our choices. I can choose to jump off a cliff and will myself with all my being to fly, but within the perameters of this world, it's not gonna happen without some kind of assistance. If there is no free will, then there is no such thing as good or bad, which we all know there is.

Paul · 06-08-2007, 10:45 PM

And no we may not volunteer to go to hell, but it happens because we don't want to accept the fact that God is soverign Lord and follow him. We want to follow our own ways, do what makes us feel good. It's not that people want to go to hell, it's that they do not want to follow God.

duck · 06-08-2007, 10:54 PM

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I completely agree with that. The Christians that check their brains at the door withough thinking through what they believe logically are not doing what God intended I believe. Like creation vs evolution or whatever else. Believe what you want, but have the integrity to study the other side as much as possible. Many times people spout off things that they claim to believe because they heard it from someone else and liked how it sounded, yet they have no idea what they are talking about. I could bash evolution till i'm blue in the face, but it makes no difference unless i've studied it and can refute it logically.

I have no problem with critisizm of my beliefs so long as it is not a personal attack. I figure, if I can't defend what I believe and why, then I need to study more and think it through better. Some things I may never completely understand, and I figure, one day I will be in Heaven before God and will have missed the point on some things.

Son, you certainly have a bit of potential. I really respect that. I gave positive rep points to you.

Aaron · 06-08-2007, 10:59 PM

Most of what bothers me has already been mentioned.

All I have to add is:

Christ's message had nothing to do with money and power yet the catholic church is the welthiest and most powerful organization in the world. Millions of dollars are spent on lavish houses of worship. Why? Christ stood on a friggin' rock when he preached.

God is supposed to have given us the free will yet, certain people and denominations would force us to believe as they do, if given the chance. I know it's old hat, but my favorite example is the inquisition.

Paul · 06-08-2007, 11:00 PM

Thanks Duck. I appretiate that. I'll admit I don't understand everything yet. I mean, i'm only 21 yrs old. But I try to be able to defend what I do believe when possible.

And jaej, I hope I'm not making you mad or anything. I don't mean to if I am. Just trying to explain myself.