niranjan

Well, we have to study this in history text books and when I grew up, I read a lot on this subject as well from scholarly sources.




Ha, ha, ha,ha...

You yourself are admitting to violence and war to put the islamic faith on others.





Sad.





And I know very well that many zoroastrians were slaughtered, and their temples destroyed,and zoroastrian ladies were outraged.

The ones who fled their motherland (who were numerous ), didn't have much of a choice.

The mongols did not have a religion in the first place. They also took the buddhist faith in large numbers , much more than the islamic faith. Mongolia is buddhist.

And the mongols before converting to buddhism, slaughtered muslims in great numbers in islamic lands, and made a pyramid of skulls in Baghdad, of slain muslims. It was really carnage , brutal torture and relentless slaughter, and an ocean of blood was flown, even more than that. They smashed everything. What remains are the remnants.

Also wish to state that mongol animosity towards the muslims started after some of their soldiers were killed by arrogant muslim soldiers( because they accidentally strayed into muslim territory), who challenged the might of the mongols,even though the mongols were strictly minding their own business.

Islamic terrorism is a universally used term used by billions, in their own languages as well. Even my native language have a specific term for islamic terrorism. Are you stating that all these billions are brainwashed.

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sisterX

There is nothing terroristic aout ISLAM, the term has been widely used by puppet leaders to aid western interests in the middle east, others like you just jump on the bandwaggon.

Can you give the titles of these 'books' you have read as a youngster, are you sure it wasn't just an uneducated family member drilling this hatred into you?

The tax on non-muslims in muslims states (although there is no such thing as an Islamic state at present) is used towards resourses for their protection. Muslims have to pay a tax too, called Zakaat, this is used as welfare for the poor and needy, non muslims are exempt from paying such a tax and the poor and needy non-muslims are still entitled to welfare. You cannot get more fair than that. They can practice their religion freely and get protection. That is Islam.

But anyway I believe the original question was regarding Holy war, are you telling me you a passivist who does not believe in combat even in self-defence?
You seem to be condoning the mongolian slaughter of muslims sounds like you are actually celebrating it.

Muslims do not dwell on the past, everything that happens is God's will.

You must separate Islam from Muslims, what Muslims do is no nessesarily condoned in Islam.
If I say Hinduism preaches burning of widows alive with their dead husbands you will say, "no that is just something some hindus practiced bt is not found in the Hundu religion", and I respect that, but you seem to attribute the acts of ignorant so-called muslims like Al qaeda and those who commited the attacks of 9/11 directly to Islam. Well I'm telling you Islam teaches no such thing and I know my religion and I know the Quran better than you do mate.

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niranjan

Well, I am living in the east, and we still use the term islamic terrorism for centuries, in our own native languages.

Well, I don't remember the names of my history text books. I only had to study the contents for getting marks in exams, not the name of the book and stuff.

Don't talk to me about fairness in islam towards the other religions. Go and see my previous posts for this.




I belive in combat for the sake of self-defence , which is sanctioned by our prophets and scriptures. But I do not at all believe in offensive warfare, as done by the muslims against asia, africa and europe. Our scriptures do not sanction it.






I am only stating the facts. It really happened.








It is still the fault of hinduism that it could not prevent the deaths of the innocent kshatriya women who died in sati after their husbands died. Hinduism is clearly at fault over here, and the deaths of these innocent women are on its head. Hinduism has to be blamed for this. I have no hesitation at all in pointing fingers at hinduism. It has failed in its duty, even though sati was completely abolished by hindu reformers later on. Still the fact that even one innocent woman was killed is a blot on hinduism, and a corruption and perversion of justice.

And the same with the fact that Islam is responsible for the deaths of millions in the name of islamic terrorism. Islam is clearly at fault here and the blood of the millions are on its head. An ocean of blood really, one that rivals the pacafic and atlantic and the indian oceans combined.

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

sisterX

Niranjan there is no such thing as Islamic terrorism, Muslim terrorists yes, but Islam being a terroristic religion? No.

I cant believe you have read the Quran and still believe such a thing, I can only say you have not understood Islam.

I thought it was Christian Missionaries who had pushed for the banning of sati and the cast system????

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"But as for me (I believe) that He is Allah, my Lord, and I shall associate none as partner with my Lord." Surah Al-Kahf verse 38. Holy Quran

niranjan

Then why do you think there are so many muslim terrorists since the 7th century A.D., which is very disproportionate to the islamic population. And they too were scholarly experts in the quran.



I have indeed read the quran, and studied history well enough.

They did nothing of the sort. They were more busy burning so-called witches in stakes in Europe.

Sati was banned due to the efforts of the hindu reformer and vedic scholar Raja Ram Mohan Roy in the 19 th century.


And the caste system was banned by hindu reformers themselves, 60 years back, and it is significant that the constitution of India was itself created by the first law minister, Ambedkar, who was himself a Dalit, due to Gandhis insistence and backing.

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

sisterX

So what is so great about Hinduism if is allows such ruthlessness in the first place and who was this Raja Ram to reform the religion? Was he some sort of prophet?

Niranjan since you have read the Quran and you think Islam preaches terrorism then please produce one, just ONE verse in the Quran which preaches the killing, slaughtering and raping of innocent people that you claim is does, that is a challenge to you.

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"But as for me (I believe) that He is Allah, my Lord, and I shall associate none as partner with my Lord." Surah Al-Kahf verse 38. Holy Quran

niranjan

There is much good in hinduism. It produced the buddha itself. Buddhism, jainism and sikhism are sects of hinduism.

Vivekananda, mahatma gandhi, ramana maharshi, j.krishnamurthy, ramakrishna, krishna and other enlightened masters of India have influenced millions all over the world.

Raja ram mohan roy is a vedic scholar who put an end to sati.



I love challenges.

Here goes.....


Here are a few verses from the Quran that deals with terror.



1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."


2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."


3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat."





5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."





6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."





7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."



8. So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush…. (Koran 9:5)

The only punishment of those that wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered, or crucified, or their hands and their feet should be cut-off on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned…. (Koran 5:33)

9."Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless it is done to guard (Takeyya) yourselves against them, guarding carefully. And Allah cautions you against His retribution. And to Allah is the eventual coming." (Koran 3:27)

10.Sura 47:4-6,15 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight), smite them at their necks.At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them).


11.Sura 61:4,11-13 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure ... that ye believe in God and His Apostle, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the cause of God, with your property and your persons. That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in gardens of eternity. That is indeed the supreme achievement. And another (favour will He bestow), which ye do love - help from God and a speedy victory. So give the glad tidings to the believers."

12.Sura 9:29-31 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

13.Sura 5:54 "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

niranjan

Check this out......

The Islamic legal manual ‘Umdat al-Salik, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, stipulates: “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.” Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors. The Qur’an permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls: “Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves” (Sura 4:23-24).



After one successful battle, Muhammad tells his men, “Go and take any slave girl.” He took one for himself also. After the notorious massacre of the Jewish Qurayzah tribe, he did it again. According to his earliest biographer, Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad “went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for [the men of Banu Qurayza] and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches.” After killing “600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900,” the Prophet of Islam took one of the widows he had just made, Rayhana bint Amr, as another concubine.
Emerging victorious in another battle, according to a generally accepted Islamic tradition, Muhammad’s men present him with an ethical question: “We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl [coitus interruptus] with them.” Muhammad told them: “It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection.’” When Muhammad says “it is better that you should not do it,” he’s referring to coitus interruptus, not to raping their captives. He takes that for granted.


http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003309.php



“Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves” (Sura 4:23-24).

"Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise. (The Noble Quran, 4:23-24)"



FROM THE QURAN - 70:22-30

"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."


This verse shows that Muslim men were allowed to have sex with their wives (of course) and their slave girls.



FROM THE QURAN - 23:5,6
"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."

Again, Muslim men were allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls.



FROM THE QURAN - 4:24
"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).


This verse is one verse out of a long passage dealing with who Muslim men can marry or have sexual relations with. The phrase "captives whom your right hand possess", means the slave girls Muslim men own.
Note also that this passage deals with more than just marriage. In Sahih Muslim volume 2, #3432, the background context for this Quranic verse is given. It relates to the events at Autus, and it permitted the Muslim men to have sex with their female slaves.



FROM THE QURAN - 33:50
"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."



And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts). Except with their wives and the (women slaves and captives) whom their right hand possess,--for (then) they are not to be blamed.” Surah 70:29-30

__________________
You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

niranjan

<<<“Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves” (Sura 4:23-24).>>>>

This and the other verses I have pointed out shows that Islamic terrorists could enlslave and rape their female captives of the so-called unbelievers, even if they were unmarried or are married to the so-called unbelievers.

And this is the reason why Jewish, Christian, Bahai, Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, Assyrian, Zoroastrian ladies were enslaved and raped by their muslim terrorist captors, as after all , their scriptures allow it.



And rape by Islamic terrorists is happening now as well.

Check this out......


http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives...-Epidemic.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_...hostage_crisis

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1214617/posts


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


http://nonpartypolitics.blogspot.com...egotiable.html

__________________
You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

niranjan

Also check this out....


http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2007...terrorism.html


http://eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com...raped-for.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/008994.php


http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Art...e.asp?ID=25210


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/



http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/08...ith-islam.html


http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/08...ith-islam.html


http://kenlydell.typepad.com/islamic...ape/index.html


http://www.westernresistance.com/blo...es/002682.html


http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02...weden-and.html

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine