Why Hell? - Page 11

Chapstiquelova · 05-16-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vencedor

I'm with u Chapstiquelova, actually im only 16 but that doesn't mean i don't have anything useful to input.

I wanted to know if anyone would mind taking one last stab at this issue, if hell literally existed, and it was just like a fundamentalist christian imagined it, would it acheive anything positive?

Hell isnt positive, nothing about hell, evil, sin, or satan is positive.
We wouldnt have even had hell if it werent for lucifer (now known as satan).But I do believe in Heaven and hell.
and yes you do have good input. I am actually a teen myself. Many people wont take me as serious now since i said that, but i have come in contact with many people above my age (not putting them down!) that i know just as much or more on some things..........I think everyone no matter what age, 10 or 100 should be aloud to give input and be taken seroiusly.

Chapstiquelova · 05-16-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jaej

I am 17 years old.

wow would have never guessed that.
lol well i think its cool that you are willing to talk about this kinda stuff.
So your an agnostic?
Just becuz your a teen piglets a teen vencedor is a teen, im a teen, doesnt mean that we dont know as much as everyone else. and doesnt mean that we do either.
But you have to equally take into consideration what people are saying.
Just becuz he has a phd, and someone doesnt , doesnt mean one has better things to say on something.

jaej · 05-16-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chapstiquelova

I just think you under estimate, a teens mind.

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Originally Posted by jaej

I am 17 years old.

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Originally Posted by lauraclay

I speak English, but I think Spanish is a prettier language. Just because you are something doesn't mean you think it's best.

This actually has nothing to do with what I was saying.
The point is, I don't underestimate a teen's mind. Reading comprehension??

Chapstiquelova · 05-16-2007, 04:20 PM

okay well im glad you dont. But to me, it sounded like when you said who's word would you take? a high schooler or a man with a phd (my paraphrase).
Hey what does you signiture say? I have been trying to learn biblical greek, but have had a loss for time lately.
and i do have to say you seem very mature for a 17yr old!
well anyway, i guess i said enough, adios , have a good day or night, whatever it is where you are lol....God bless

sisterX · 05-16-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Og

sisterX, your notion of God does not take into account what we know about the nature of living organisms in terms of neuroscience and molecular biology. We are only different from rocks and wind by a degree of complexity, not by a degree of kind of object.

The notion that an individual entity exists is false. If a god entity exists, it is part of the entire process of the universe and we are part of it.

The notion that a god entity exists and judges individual humans based on their behavior is false. Human beings are biological machines that are expressions of their complex environment. A notion of god in these terms is obviously an internal tool to the brains of the population that works towards stability of the population. Not ultimate true outside of the human mind.

When you say "give us life" you seem to think that life is something different from a hurricane or a tornado or a snowflake. It is not. The processes involved are the same. It's just that the complexity of the human form is much higher.

This is observation of how things work. This is not a theory of a process (such as evolution). The universe is a complex interconnected group of systems and the boundaries between those systems are arbitrary. This is a demonstrable fact.

Your notion of a judgmental god is false. You must either reject it or live with a contradiction. Or don't believe what I'm saying, live in ignorance, and discover (or not) this for yourself someday. I'm sure there are plenty of communities out there that will continue to profess ignorance because either they don't know any better or because they're malicious and want to keep control.

OG sorry I missed this post!

Nothing you have said points to there not being a God. The fact that the universe seems to exist with everything in perfect equilibrium would, to me, point towards intelligent design.

My notion of God contradicts with the nature of the universe? How so?

If you're right and we ARE just biological machines, then when our little ticker stops and our brains are starved of oxygen and we shut down, I will not be able to acknowledge whether you were right or not.
If I am right and there is a 'life after death' you will be able to acknoledge it.
So who has more to lose?
You sound like an agnostic. ??????
You seem to be saying "The physical world exists because I can see it, touch it, taste it, smell it etc, I cant see God therefore He does not exist" am I right?

jaej · 05-16-2007, 09:40 PM

Well, that is what I was saying. I would take the words of an educated man over those of a high schooler 99.9999999999999999999999999999999 percent of the time. Laura just seems to have thought I was saying since I'm 17 it must be the best..

It means 'Come and get them.'

lauraclay · 05-16-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chapstiquelova

wow would have never guessed that.
lol well i think its cool that you are willing to talk about this kinda stuff.
So your an agnostic?
Just becuz your a teen piglets a teen vencedor is a teen, im a teen, doesnt mean that we dont know as much as everyone else. and doesnt mean that we do either.
But you have to equally take into consideration what people are saying.
Just becuz he has a phd, and someone doesnt , doesnt mean one has better things to say on something.

umm, Piglet is 48.

lauraclay · 05-16-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jaej

This actually has nothing to do with what I was saying.
The point is, I don't underestimate a teen's mind. Reading comprehension??

Stop making personal slams.

It has everything to do with it. You were acting like you were undervaluing a teen's mind versus a man with a Ph.D.'s mind, and then you're proof that you don't is that you're 17. My point was that just because you are a teen doesn't mean you don't undervalue the teen's mind.

lauraclay · 05-16-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterX

OG sorry I missed this post!

Nothing you have said points to there not being a God. The fact that the universe seems to exist with everything in perfect equilibrium would, to me, point towards intelligent design.

My notion of God contradicts with the nature of the universe? How so?

If you're right and we ARE just biological machines, then when our little ticker stops and our brains are starved of oxygen and we shut down, I will not be able to acknowledge whether you were right or not.
If I am right and there is a 'life after death' you will be able to acknoledge it.
So who has more to lose?
You sound like an agnostic. ??????
You seem to be saying "The physical world exists because I can see it, touch it, taste it, smell it etc, I cant see God therefore He does not exist" am I right?

Just so you know, atheist is a disbelief in god and agnosticism is not believing or disbelieving, super short version.

jaej · 05-16-2007, 10:04 PM

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So, since I'm a teenager, I neccesarily underestimate the value of the teenage mind? k..