Bodhitharta

GOD is The PRIME CONCIOUS BEING. Can anyone at all deny that there had to be a Prime Concious Being. The fact is if you accept Conciousness at all you would have to accept the Primacy of Conciousness or The Prime Concious Being. God is The Supreme Concious Being.

Geshtinnanna

That makes no sense. Opinion will do that to ya'

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Bodhitharta

Yes, it makes perfect sense unless you deny consciousnes.

Geshtinnanna

Well you used the word FACT. It's not a fact that if I accept conciousness I then accept God. That's an opinion. I suggest you learn the difference of FACT and OPINION.

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Bodhitharta

Bodhitharta Quote:

What is certain is that you are reading this right now and as sure as you are reading this right

now God Is Real. Are you absolutely certain that you are reading this right now? If your not Absolutely

certain that you are reading this right now then you are right, you will never be certain of anything

especially GOD.

Narcolepticsun wrote: Oh great - now we're back to you pretending objects and events are identical. For a person who is so

anti-Nihilism - you display the annoying pretentious mannerisms of Nihilists vividly.

The claim that God (a being) is as real as me reading this post (an activity) is not only a pathetic

comparison - but is STILL nothing more than your special plead and pretense.

It would be appreciable if you used words in a consistant manner, but, alas, it is obvious you are

attempting to deveive me - so I should know better then to expect such.

It depends on what you are trying to pretend I am certain of what I am doing. I can read in my dreams -

and I have considerably vivid dreams - as vivid as reality. I become "concious" in my dreams often.

I feel quite confident I am awake - however - I have had this same feeling of confidence while I was,

in fact, still dreaming.

To get to your question - I am quite certain I am reading this - whether I be actually laying in my bed

asleep or actually in front of the computer typing this - one way or another - it is occuring. Am I

absolutely certain it is occuring in the real world? No. I am quite confident it is - however - I fall

into deep sleep very easily - and a consequence of such is excessively vivid dream worlds.

Geshtinnanna

That hurt my brain. Have a nice night

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Og

Welcome back Bod!

I deny consciousness as what you think it is. Consciousness as you present it is a myth. Consciousness is no different than a tornado. It's a pattern of elements of the universe that behave in a certain way.

It's demonstrable that consciousness is an illusion. We are biomachines that behave in response to our stimulus and structure. This is what modern neuroscience illustrates.

The idea of vishnu asleep on the world ocean dreaming the dream of reality is a metaphor, not reality. It speaks to the idea of a God that must transcend all categories of thought (including being and non-being). It doesn't mean that there has to be a prime mind.

Dreaming is a certain state of the brain. It's different than waking. Quite different in man respects.

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The self is not a fixed entity but a dynamic process of relationships
You & I, no distinction. - Tat Tvam Asi
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Bodhitharta

Hi, Og

The question is are you a concious being? If you are then you must admit a Prime Conscious Being

Og

Why? I'm still unclear on that. What does it mean to be a prime conscious being? Do you think that consciousness is something fundamentally different than a tornado or do you think it's a different expression of the same thing?

What is a prime conscious being? What do you mean when you say that?

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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici. (By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe)
The self is not a fixed entity but a dynamic process of relationships
You & I, no distinction. - Tat Tvam Asi
Become Who You Are

Bodhitharta

How is a tornado conscious?