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Old 08-12-2007, 08:09 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I remember reading that some Christian sects such as the Theraputae, believed in reincarnation and they were not far removed from the time of Jesus's life . Lived in the 1st or 2nd century A.D. It was the Roman Emperor who declared reincarnation as heresy subsequently.

Here's what wikipedia has to say about reincarnation in Christianity.......


Several Christian denominations which support reincarnation include the Liberal Catholic Church, Unity Church, The Christian Spiritualist Movement, the Rosicrucian Fellowship and the Lectorium Rosicrucianum. The Medieval heretical sect known variously as the Cathars or Albigensians who flourished in the Languedoc believed in Reincarnation, seeing each soul as a fallen angel born again and again into the world of Matter created by Lucibel (Lucifer). Only through a Gnostic 'Rebirth' in the Holy Spirit through Christ could the soul escape this process of successive existences and return to God.
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Early references to reincarnation in the New Testament were deleted in the 4th century by Emperor Constantine when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.

In the 6th century, in the year 553 A. D., the 2nd Council of Constantinople officially declared reincarnation a heresy and the doctrine of reincarnation was officially banished by the Christian Church. It was banished for no other reason than it was considered to be too much of an influence from the East.
... baseless drivel.
And how do you know !Where you there at the time of Constantine?
That was a very stupid question. Now, stop babbling and show us evidence that Constantine deleted references to reincarnation.
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Old 08-12-2007, 09:13 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Early references to reincarnation in the New Testament were deleted in the 4th century by Emperor Constantine when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.

In the 6th century, in the year 553 A. D., the 2nd Council of Constantinople officially declared reincarnation a heresy and the doctrine of reincarnation was officially banished by the Christian Church. It was banished for no other reason than it was considered to be too much of an influence from the East.
... baseless drivel.
And how do you know !Where you there at the time of Constantine?
That was a very stupid question. Now, stop babbling and show us evidence that Constantine deleted references to reincarnation.
I don't think it is a very stupid question. You were making an assertive statement without any basis, and hence I asked you a natural question. I don't think theres anything wrong in it .

As for the proof, go through the link which I have given.
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I don't think it is a very stupid question. You were making an assertive statement without any basis, and hence I asked you a natural question. I don't think theres anything wrong in it .

As for the proof, go through the link which I have given.
It is a stupid question. You turned his claim about validity of a claim around on his claim about the validity of your claim.

The "proof" you provided is based on a link from a web page offering astrology advice on love and special natural "medicine" crap. Excuse me if I don't just tell you flat out that you are offering baseless assertions. Deliver a reference to an academic translation of texts from the time and corroborating details from other archaeological finds.

Linking a new age web site is NOT proof.
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:47 AM   #85 (permalink)
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It is a stupid question. You turned his claim about validity of a claim around on his claim about the validity of your claim..
And again how is that stupid on the basis of what u said. I am only asking what is his proof that what i said is wrong. Give that, and I am willing to go through it.

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The "proof" you provided is based on a link from a web page offering astrology advice on love and special natural "medicine" crap..
Here is the link. It deals with past life therapy and healing.

http://www.elevated.fsnet.co.uk/index-page14.html

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Excuse me if I don't just tell you flat out that you are offering baseless assertions. ..
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and I suppose you are saying that what I said about the theraputae and the info from the wikipedia on reincarnation in christianity is baseless!!!!!!!
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Here are some more links on reincarnation in christianity...


http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/reincar/re-imo.htm

( check out origen )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen

http://mystic.nazirene.org/reincarnation.htm

http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen1.html

http://home.pacbell.net/amsec/rein1e.html

http://www.amazon.com/Reincarnation-.../dp/0835605019
(Anyone who thinks of himself or herself as 'Christian' by orientation but who finds popular ideas of Heaven and hell untenable is likely to welcome this book, written by an Anglican (Episcopal) priest. Fr. MacGregor explains that the concept of reincarnation has a long and distinguished tradition in Christendom and that it remains a highly respectable (and totally logical) way of explaining the obvious inequities of this world, while allowing us to escape from the absurdity of supposing that human beings come only once to earth. This book will be liberating for those who, while attracted to Christianity in an overall sense, nevertheless balk at the simplistic 'Christian' notion that we go (finally) either to Heaven or to hell when we die, without opportunity for further growth. )

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http://www.spirit-works.net/christia...ncarnation.htm

http://www.theosophical.org/resource...Christ/ch2.php


http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_boo...ncarnation.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_and_reincarnation

http://www.reikitoronto.com/reincarn...ristianity.htm

http://www.myastrologybook.com/reinc...ristianity.htm
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Here are some more links on reincarnation in christianity...
I am entirely disinterested in your silly laundry list. Now, again show us evidence that Constantine deleted references to reincarnation.
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Here are some more links on reincarnation in christianity...
I am entirely disinterested in your silly laundry list. Now, again show us evidence that Constantine deleted references to reincarnation.
I give my laundry list to the laundry shop,not over here , hawkie. Check out the links which i have given, where it has been stated again that constantine deleted references to reincarnation.
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“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

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Hinduism: "This is the sum of Dharma [duty]: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you". Mahabharata, 5:1517 "

Buddhism: "...a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?" Samyutta NIkaya v. 353

Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." Udana-Varga 5:18
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This passage of writing may interest you guys .....


http://pages.zoom.co.uk/thuban/html/kundalini.htm
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