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Old 06-11-2007, 02:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
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They made heaven and earth a place where demons rule.
I think I prefer the demons to crazies like you blast. That you literally believe your mythology and all this mysticism is astounding.
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Old 06-11-2007, 02:10 PM   #52 (permalink)
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In the Qur'an, stories about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (called 'Isa in Arabic) are abundant. The Qur'an recalls his miraculous birth, his teachings, the miracles he performed by God's permission, and his life as a respected prophet of God. The Qur'an also repeatedly reminds that Jesus was a human prophet sent by God, not part of God Himself.

"Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'" (3:45-48).

"He [Jesus] said: 'I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me revelation and made me a prophet; He has made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!' Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is" (19:30-35).

"When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: 'Now I have come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which you dispute. Therefore, fear God and obey me. God, He is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him -- this is a Straight Way.' But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement. So woe to the wrongdoers, from the penalty of a Grievous Day!" (43:63-65)

"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117).

"Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!" (5:75).
The Koran was written by a demon and the Jesus Christ that is in the Koran is a demon as well. Otherwise the whole world would be upside down because of demon possessed Islamic people who want to do what demon Muhammad told that demon Allah told him. Muhammad sold you to the devil.

The spirit in Muhammad was an illiterate, lying, and hateful spirit who will kill anybody on its path to achieve its goal until today. While you keep reading the Sura, that demon spirit will keep possessing you and keep you as stupid as Muhammad. Notice that I am not disrespecting you, but I am telling you the truth about Muhammad an its evil spirit.

The Cross spirit of Constantine told him "By this cross you shall conquer." and the spirit of Muhammad told him, "By one Comet, you shall conquer."
Don't you see, since then these spirits are fighting against each other until the Almighty will destroy all of them forever. In the meantime, people who don't look for the true Creator are being destroyed by both the Cross spirit and the moon spirit.

It is not the Almighty's fault, It is the wicked's fault who like to serve a cross or kiss a rock.
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Old 06-11-2007, 06:46 PM   #53 (permalink)
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"With great power comes great responsibility." (Spiderman)

If an "almighty" being has 100% authority, it also has 100% responsibility. Therefore, literally everything -- Including the "demons" -- would ultimately be its fault.
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Old 06-17-2007, 04:50 PM   #54 (permalink)
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While I am enjoying the gloopy tosh of this thread enormously, especially the satanic geezer, who I have to say is good for business, I have to inject a note or two of historical reality before the whole thing goes off the rails in an Anna Nicole Smith styleee.

First of all, I really am not too sure about the whole 'Jesus went to India for his gap year' stuff. Think about it. He would have had to put on his sandals and trek from Palestine / Judea across the eastern reaches of the Roman Empire (not easy for a non citizen like Jesus) and across Arabia up into the Persian Empire, the largest Empire the world had ever seen.

And also, funnily enough, the most bureaucratic. If you tried to enter Persia without imperial permission they cut your head off. You couldn't buy a goat without asking someone first.

For crying out loud Alexander the great had enough trouble and he had a bloody great big army. Getting into Persia was rather like a Mexican going to Disneyworld. And then he had to get across the whole Empire to spend a few years in India?

And then go back again....
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Old 06-18-2007, 02:39 AM   #55 (permalink)
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First of all, I really am not too sure about the whole 'Jesus went to India for his gap year' stuff. Think about it. He would have had to put on his sandals and trek from Palestine / Judea across the eastern reaches of the Roman Empire (not easy for a non citizen like Jesus) and across Arabia up into the Persian Empire, the largest Empire the world had ever seen.....
And Jesus could have easily gone in the caravans of the traders and others, who went through the silk route to the east.

If you check the map, you can see that India is very close to the middle east. And ancient India also included afghanistan too, which were populated by the buddhits and hindus at that time.






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And also, funnily enough, the most bureaucratic. If you tried to enter Persia without imperial permission they cut your head off. You couldn't buy a goat without asking someone first.

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And how do u know that. There are many foreigners who went to persia to trade with them and used their territory for this purpose.Jesus could have easily gone with them, and the persians might not have been interested at all in this dude dressed in rags and povertystricken, if they had seen him. Jesus's travelling comrades might have also argued in Jesus's favour, if any kind of problems arose, and settled it just like that.

Also , from what I know , the persian zoroastrians were a noble and civilized people too, not at all barbaric.
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Old 06-18-2007, 10:40 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I don't know anything as to the validity of either argument, and I'm too lazy to look it up because I know both of you will...
but, what is barbaric now was noble then.
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It is disgusting how people parrot other people before them. Jesus is an homosexual like Buddha, Conficius, etc. On the other hand, the prophet who grace the Roman Empire first Century A.D. is nothing like Buddha and would never even quote idol worshipers.

When Yahushua, the prophet came on the planet and trained his diciples to give the world the word of the Almighty, the disciples also were instructed by yahushua, which is not Jesus created by the Roman Empire for wicked people, to give the word of the Almighty Creator of all that exist, including Buddha, to all the world, including all Asia. If the wicked Buddha had enlightenment, Yahushua would have said to exclude the Buddhist from receiving enlightenment. Jesus has one thing in common with Buddha, Conficius, Apollo, etc. They are all homosexuals and they were possessed by demon spirits who lied to people in order to collect souls and bodies.

All of you are demon possessed, you who worship a man like Buddha who died a sinful person. These people are soul collectors for demons.
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I don't know anything as to the validity of either argument, and I'm too lazy to look it up because I know both of you will...
but, what is barbaric now was noble then.
And many things that were bad then are good now as well.
It works both ways.
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Really, this is all trememdous stuff but with my agnostic hat on I have to say there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for any of it in any way shape or form.

Christianity, if it is anything at all, is largely the creation of St Paul, a Roman citizen, who did have the opportunity to travel a lot more than Jesus would have done. He took the bits of Jesus' interpretation of Judaism that he liked and mashed it up with a bit of the legend of Mithras (a Greek version of Zorastrianism), neo platonic thought and the mother fixated Ephesians.

Yes, there are superficial similarities in the "let's all be nice to each other" creed but very little else. The obvious problem that Jesus believed in god rears its ugly head. Had he learnt anything in his 'oh so easy' trip across the Roman and Persian Empires he would have left all that behind.

But no, there he is in his workshop doing a bit of carving when he suddenly decides to go to India? Perhaps he wanted to take in a bit of cricket?

And the Silk Road to India was really a B road. If Jesus had stuck to the main road he would have gone to China and learnt all about Confucius. Now that would have made for an interesting religion...
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