niranjan

It is the Man who said , " I and my Father are one ", whose power has descended unto millions. For thousands of years it has worked for good. And we know that the same Man, because he was a non-dualist, was merciful to others. To the masses who could not conceive of anything higher than a Personal God , he said, " Pray to your Father in heaven"(Dvaita ). To others who could grasp a higher idea, he said: "I am the vine, ye are the branches ,"(Vishistadvaita) but to his disciples to whom he revealed himself more fully, he proclaimed the highest truth, "I and my Father are one ." ( Advaita )

---- Swami Vivekananda

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

niranjan

How can you make the spirit pure ? By renunciation. A rich young man asked Jesus , "Good master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life ? " And Jesus said unto him, "One thing thou lackest; go thy way, sell whatever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have riches in heaven: and come , take up thy cross, and follow me. "

---- Swami Vivekananda

With the self unattached to external contacts he finds happiness in the Self; with the self engaged in the meditation of Brahman he attains to the endless happiness.
- Krishna (Gita Ch.5, verse 21)

The enjoyments that are born of contacts (through senses with sense-objects) are only generators of pain, for they have a beginning and an end, O Arjuna. The wise do not rejoice in them.
- Krishna (Gita Ch.5, verse 22)




RAMANA MAHARSHI ON RENUNCIATION

http://www.hinduism.co.za/renuncia.htm





As a little boy or a girl can have no idea of married happiness, even so a worldly man cannot at all comprehend the ecstasy of Divine communion.

--- Ramakrishna Paramahamsa



As on the troubled surface of a lake the moon is reflected in broken images , so on the unsettled mind of the worldly man engrossed in Maya, the reflection of God is broken and partial.

--- Ramakrishna Paramahamsa


"There is the case where the mind of a monk, when attending to sensual pleasures, doesn't leap up at sensual pleasures, doesn't grow confident, steadfast, or released in sensual pleasures. But when attending to renunciation, his mind leaps up at renunciation, grows confident, steadfast, & released in renunciation. When his mind is rightly-gone, rightly developed, has rightly risen above, gained release, and become disjoined from sensual pleasures, then whatever fermentations, torments, & fevers there are that arise in dependence on sensuality, he is released from them. He does not experience that feeling. This is expounded as the escape from sensual pleasures."

---- Buddha

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

Jayhawker Soule

I could care less "where it has been stated" - I can easily dredge up any number of websites that state all manner of drivel. So, yet again, stop polluting the thread with evasive nonsense and show us evidence that Constantine deleted references to reincarnation.

niranjan

And my answer is the same , go through the links i have given, where it is stated a couple of times that constantine deleted the reincarnation stuff , by different writers as well. Surely something has happened at that time. There cannot be any smoke without fire.


The other posts are not evasive nonsense, but are independent posts having their own merit. Go through them carefully. You might learn something.



Must say, i find your arguments nonsensical as well (in all your posts) .

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

niranjan

But since the devil's bride, Reason, that pretty whore, comes in and thinks she's wise, and what she says, what she thinks, is from the Holy Spirit, who can help us, then? Not judges, not doctors, no king or emperor, because [reason] is the Devil's greatest whore.

--martin luther


Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God.
--martin luther

Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has: it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but--more frequently than not --struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.
--martin luther


Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason.

--martin luther



From the wikepedia
Luther is also known for his writings about the Jews, the nature and consequences of which are the subject of scholarly debate. His statements that Jews' homes should be destroyed, their synagogues burned, money confiscated, and liberty curtailed were revived and given widespread publicity by the Nazis in Germany in 1933–45. As a result of this and his revolutionary theological views, his legacy remains controversial

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

Martin Luthers main works on the Jews were his 60,000-word treatise Von die Juden und Ihren Lügen and Vom Schem Hamphoras und das Geschlecht Christi (On the Holy Name and the Lineage of Christ) — reprinted five times within his lifetime — both written in 1543, three years before his death. He argued that the Jews were no longer the chosen people, but were "the devil's people." They were "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth." The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..." and Jews were full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine." He advocated setting synagogues on fire, destroying Jewish prayerbooks, forbidding rabbis from preaching, seizing Jews' property and money, smashing up their homes, and ensuring that these "poisonous envenomed worms" be forced into labor or expelled "for all time." He also seemed to sanction their murder, writing "We are at fault in not slaying them."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_their_Lies

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

niranjan

Why religions should claim that they are not bound to abide by the standpoint of reason, no one knows. If one does not take the standard of reason there cannot be any true judgement, even in the case of religions.One religion may ordain something very hideous.For instance, the Mohammedan religion allows Mohammedans to kill all who are not of their religion. It is clearly stated in the Koran, "Kill the infidels if they do not become Mohammedans." They must be put to fire and sword. Now if we tell a Mohammedan that this is wrong, he will naturally ask : "How do you know that ? How do you know it is not good ? My book says it is." If you say your book is older, there will come the Buddhist, and say, his book is much older still. Then will come the Hindu, and say, his books are the oldest of all. Therefore referring to books will not do. Where is the standard by which you can compare ? You will say, look at the Sermon on the Mount, and the Mohammedan will reply, look at the Ethics of the Koran. The Mohammedan will say, who is the arbiter as to which is the better of the two? Neither the New Testament nor the Koran can be the arbiter in a quarrel between them. There must be some independent authority , and that cannot be any book, but something which is universal ; and what is more universal than reason ? It has been said that reason is not strong enough; it does not always help us to get the Truth; many times it makes mistakes , and therefore the conclusion is that we must believe in the authority of a church! That was said to me by a Roman Catholic, but I could not see the logic of it. On the other hand I should say, if reason be so weak, a body of priests would be weaker, and I am not going to accept their verdict but I will abide by my reason, because with all its weakness there is some chance of my getting at truth through it; while by the other means, there is no such hope at all.

---Swami Vivekananda

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

Jayhawker Soule

As expected.

Og

I must concur. How do you not get that "a website stating something" is NOT EVIDENCE. It's simply a web site stating something.

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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici. (By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe)
The self is not a fixed entity but a dynamic process of relationships
You & I, no distinction. - Tat Tvam Asi
Become Who You Are

niranjan

Well, perhaps you can ask the various authors of these websites where they got their info that constantine deleted references to reincarnation. They are christians themselves, and who obviously know something of christianity.

As far as i am concerned i got these stuff upon checking out, and also the fact that origen and the other christian sects including the theraputae( who lived close to the era of christ) believed in reincarnation suggested that something has happened later on.

Hence I believe there is some substance in the assertions of these guys.

Also it is a fact that the romans involved in a lot of editing, adding and deleting while creating a tailormade christianity suited to their needs.

I have read in Dan Brown's books that december 25 or christmas day, or the birthday of Christ, was actually a roman fertility festival. Many other so called pagan festivals of the romans were incorporated into christianity after they adopted it.

I will be putting more info as well...

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

niranjan

Also check these out !

From the wikipedia...

Origen(185–ca. 254) himself was a proponent of the doctrine of Apokatastasis, which seems to have involved reincarnation . The doctrines of Origen were repeatedly rejected and finally condemned by Second Council of Constantinople in 553.


http://anty.co.uk/arbitroweb/arbitro...r047047058cggu


http://anty.co.uk/arbitroweb/arbitro...r047047058cggu

__________________
You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine