Og

I think #6 is more a candidate for the ignore option than anything else. Most of this pissing in the wind he does is for his own enjoyment, however that works. It really darkens the forum conversations.

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Faith

The forum conversations of you guys basicly conversing with eachother in agreement that everything is without meaning, and that every different personality is just a chemical reaction. When people laugh it is "just a chemical reaction". When people find something funny they laugh. But why is it funny, and why do they laugh? When people look at beautiful things like flowers. As I said before, science can measure the dimensions of a flower, but it can't tell us why it's beatiful.

It is beautiful, because God made it to be beatiful. Not just because I looked at a flower and chemicals swished to and fro through my body. Science is so dull. It tries to make everything look lifeless and meaningless. Number6 can be a funny person. But you OG almost seem like you have no humor at all. When you see a scientist you usualy see a dull and lifeless face, just as dull as their theorys. They look unhappy, and if they are happy it is usualy only because they think they proved themselves right about a theory. Then God shows them otherwsie and they are unhappy again.

It is like a conqueror for example. Someone who wishes to conquer everything until everything belongs to him and no one else is left. But if they accomplish that, what is left for them? They based their whole life on trying to conquer and when they finaly have their joy that they once had turns to bitterness.

When your pursuit is for something evil, you can never be satisfied and if you accomplish it, you gain nothing and lose something. The only time you can truely be happy forever is in pursuit of a life for Christ, and entering the Kingdom of heaven. Not many experience it.

Faith

It really is a shame you think the love between a mother and her child, father and son, is nothing more than chemicals. All to you, meaningless.

Og

You have no ideas of the wonders of reality. You continue to make these silly claims while cowering in the corner of your own mind under Satan's thumb. You're scared to even go near the controls. Bury your head further. Ignorance is bliss for you.

I continue to have solace in the fact you are part of the whole universe just as I am. You just don't happen to know much of anything about the observable nature of your environment. There are lots of people in your shoes, and that's cool.

All I can say is, you are right. My way is full of challenge and realizations that can be perceived as cold in some lights.

This doesn't change the fact that a neurosurgeon can open your head up for brain surgery and cause you to laugh or cry or love by stimulating portions of your brain with an electrical current.

We all have our illusions. You grasp very strongly to yours and focus on solidifying your ego into an idea of eternal self. I reject that idea. Our points of view are opposite in that sense, so I understand the disconnect and why you respond the way you do. It's very clear that you're fully invested in the idea of soul.

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jaej

You make science out to be Satan, with its own evil agenda, trying to tear religion apart. What you don't seem to understand is that science is "systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation." It is observing facts about our world, forming opinions, and changing those opinions as indicated by the outcomes of experiments.

Are you kidding? First, science doesn't try to do anything. Like I said, it is interpreting data. Second, science illustrates the beauty of our universe for what it truly is, not the misguided, twisted, dogmatic teachings of your religion. Science is not an entity; it has no agenda. You're the one with the agenda, Faith.

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Og

That's your business Mr. 6. I don't really know what "way" we get in. Your attitude here is mean spirited and argumentative. You seem to just be an ugly noise source on these forums.

As for what you think about me and what I do, I don't really think your opinion has much bearing on reality. And your opinions about what you think it is that I do, exactly, has no bearing at all on the validity of my arguments.

I don't really care what you think about me as a person. I gave up caring about stuff like that a long while ago after I got out of high school.

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Og

answer to what?

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Grant

Both?
(reply to the first post)

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Sa\/en

Quite an interesting topic. A few months back I was looking around at the philosophies of the mind and stumbled across something called “qualia.”

"Qualia" is "an unfamiliar term for something that could not be more familiar to each of us: the ways things seem to us"[1]. They can be defined as qualities or feelings, like redness or pain, as considered independently of their effects on behavior and from whatever physical circumstances give rise to them. In more philosophical terms, qualia are properties of sensory experiences.

I am also interested in the nature of emotions. We can explain, “Scientifically” the regions in the brain that contribute to emotional experiences but can you prove that “I” “feel” as a result of complex physiological activities?

Og

We can scoop out parts of the brain having to do with personality and memory. Not sure if thats the same.

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