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Old 05-07-2008, 04:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is the first topic I write here, so I like to begin with the most beautiful word in the world, that is:

(La ilah illaa Allah)

This is the secret of the existence.

for this word you are created, and for this word there are Heaven and Hell, and according to this word you will be judged,
so if you satisfy this word you will go to Paradise, but if you refuse this truth you will go to Hell.
For this greatest truth God glory be to Him send the prophets peace be upon them.

Part of the people says that there is no God
And part of the people says that there are many gods
And we say that: there is only One God, no god but He.

so Quickly come to The Most Generous One
So that you will be forgiven

Ask Him as much as you can
He is The Rich and owns The Heaven

The good things is in His Holy Hands
Ask Him more and see what happen

You can never hold in a glass
The whole sea, How can that fit in?

and because of the Greatness of God
He is above what you think and imagine

There is no comparable unto Him
The Most High, The All Rich, Oft forgiving

The King, The Holy, The Mighty as well
you usually loose, but He always wins


The Gracious, The Peace, The All Powerful
The Wise, The light of Earth and Heavens

The Guider, The Judge, The Truth and The Just
His word pushes the dead to listen

The Noble, The Lord, The Glorious and The Firm
The first, The Last, The Evident and The Hidden


The Giver of life, The taker of life
Every thing dies, but He The Living


The nature does not create, but God
He said Be so see what happened

Jesus peace be upon him was
This is a sign for you and Jinn

Also the fire was cold, and peace
When Abraham, was thrown therein

Since He is The Most Generous One
It is one of three conditions

Either to give you what you ask
Or prevent a harm from touching you
Or to give you more in Heaven

Finally, I would like to thank the prophet who invites us to God and His grace:

Mohammad is gentle, Mohammad is light
Mohammad (the prophet) was very polite

Mohammad was telling only truth
Mohammad is honest, Mohammad is right

Peace be upon you O Mohammad
During the day, and during the night
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Old 05-07-2008, 04:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What evidence do you have to offer that allah or the supernatural realms of heaven and hell actually exist?
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Old 05-07-2008, 05:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What evidence do you have to offer that allah or the supernatural realms of heaven and hell actually exist?
the Majesty of the Holy Qur`An and its miracles and the history of the gentle man (Mohammad PBUH) and his brothers (the prophets PBUT).

Allah glory be to Him, is my Lord.

I had some problems, but when I asked Him to help me, they all were solved.

The Hell exist because God said that, and who can be more truthful than Allah, The Truth Who says the truth.
without His love, evry right is wrong.
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Mohammad is dead and buried. Jesus is dead and buried. Moses is dead and buried.

Three major religions are cults of the dead. There is no life within them.

Over 2 billion people. Blind as a bat. Wanting to follow SOMETHING.

My My. Doesn't this leave the door for abuse wide open???

Unless you have a living God presence, a realized being to guide you, you will fall into the pit by the hundreds of millions.

I'm going to pop some corn and watch.



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What evidence do you have to offer that allah or the supernatural realms of heaven and hell actually exist?
the Majesty of the Holy Qur`An and its miracles and the history of the gentle man (Mohammad PBUH) and his brothers (the prophets PBUT).

Allah glory be to Him, is my Lord.

I had some problems, but when I asked Him to help me, they all were solved.

The Hell exist because God said that, and who can be more truthful than Allah, The Truth Who says the truth.
without His love, evry right is wrong.
How did God tell you that hell exists? What is hell? Did he speak this to you or did you read it somewhere?
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Unfortunately, ASoA, I am unable to bring myself to worship your god.

First of all, I do not consider a book to be adequate proof of a god's existence.

Secondly, I am honour-bound to not worship any being that would actually create such a place as Hell, even if not worshipping condemns me to go to such a place.

By the way, I do not think that Hell exists, despite what it may say in your holy book. I see it as a human-generated Ultimate Threat that was used to terrify people into belief and submission.

Finally, I think that submission to any external being is a bad thing. Beings that require obedience are not worth worshipping.
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Mohammad is dead and buried. Jesus is dead and buried. Moses is dead and buried.

Three major religions are cults of the dead. There is no life within them.

Over 2 billion people. Blind as a bat. Wanting to follow SOMETHING.

My My. Doesn't this leave the door for abuse wide open???

Unless you have a living God presence, a realized being to guide you, you will fall into the pit by the hundreds of millions.

I'm going to pop some corn and watch.



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we (Muslims) beleive in Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Mohammad and all the prophets (PBUT) and we love them all.

Allah said: "say (O Muslims): we believe in Allah and that which has been
sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham, Ishmael,
Isaac, Jacob, and the offspring of he twelve sons of Jacob, and that which

has been given to Moses and Jesus, and that which has been given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)".
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Dear asoA,

So you believe in Allah,
you know your Qur'an.

This is nice.

Now what?

can we have a debate, a discussion or would you like to examine our ideas and our thoughts on this kind of matter?

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I am not going to be getting into this topic due to the fact that I am not on my computer enough to bother, but I would like to say one thing about what Astreja said. Not believing in hell simply because of the fact that it may produce "submission" by a person is not remotely logical. Imagine a rebelious teenager who didn't believe in prison because he didn't want to believe there was an actual place where people who disobey the law are sent to be locked up for their crimes. So he says, "Honestly, I don't believe in prison. I think it's just a place people with suits and badges made up to scare people into submitting to the law." Until, of course, it is too late and he has been "locked up" due to his ignorance and disobdience, both products of the lack of concern for authority; that is, at least, any authority which condemns what the person themself does.
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This is the secret of the existence.

for this word you are created, and for this word there are Heaven and Hell, and according to this word you will be judged,
so if you satisfy this word you will go to Paradise, but if you refuse this truth you will go to Hell.
For this greatest truth God glory be to Him send the prophets peace be upon them.
You're wrong

I know the secret of existence: "You and I, no distinction." and "Thou art God"

No thing has intrinsic identity. All is impermanent. You are a confluence of events. Sending someone to hell would be like condemning a tornado for taking out a trailer park. Your submission to your god cowers you away from the controls of your rational mind and allows a parasitical idea to take over your behaviors (this post).

But again, condemning you for this or being angry at you for this would be like being angry at a tornado for taking out a trailer park. It's a product of the environment that you represent. All that I have is pity and a desire to expose all people to the product of the environment from which I emerged.

The secret of existence that I have shared above is demonstrable, repeatable, and something that anyone can come to on their own given an open mind and the willingness to dissect their world around them. It requires no book/authority.

I reject islam. They used to represent the pinnacle of rationality. Algebra and chemistry and astronomy and our numbers (arabic numerals 123etc) derive from the islamic culture. Then in 1100CE, someone said "all this natural law stuff is garbage. Everything that occurs is the will of allah." And for some reason, people listened. Then they plunged into darkness.

But again, it's a product of its environment. It's a cyclone of human experience that is occurring all over the world. At least where I am concerned, I will touch the earth and be unmoved by such delusion.
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