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05-09-2008, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by a slave of Allah I had some problems, but when I asked Him to help me, they all were solved. | Can you tell us more about this? | ...the class started at 8:00 am, and I used to sleep at 1:30 am and wake up at 4:00 am to pray (we have 5 prayers every day, their time is ordained By Allah glorybe to Him) then I go back to sleep again, and sometimes I miss the class... | Did your professor know this?
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05-10-2008, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by shadowind
maby i demand respect from god, and will gladly not submit intill i am no longer a slave. | you know your origin.
Allah glory be to Him said: 6. O man! What has made you careless concerning your Lord, the Most Generous?
7. Who created you, fashioned you perfectly, and gave you due proportion;
8. In whatever form He willed, He put you together.
9. Nay! But you deny the Recompense (reward for good deeds and punishment for evil deeds).
10. But verily, over you (are appointed angels in charge of mankind) to watch you[] ,
11. Kirâman (honourable) Kâtibîn writing down (your deeds)[] ,
12. They know all that you do.
13. Verily, the Abrâr (pious and righteous) will be in delight (Paradise);
14. And verily, the Fujjâr (the wicked, disbelievers, sinners and evil-doers) will be in the blazing Fire (Hell),
15. In which they will enter, and taste its burning flame on the Day of Recompense,
16. And they (Al-Fujjâr) will not be absent therefrom (i.e. will not go out from the Hell).
17. And what will make you know what the Day of Recompense is?
18. Again, what will make you know what the Day of Recompense is?
19. (It will be) the Day when no person shall have power (to do) anything for another, and the Decision, that Day, will be (wholly) with Allâh. |
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05-10-2008, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by a slave of Allah The Holy Qur'an is The maricle book, full of Majesty: | In my opinion, it's fiction. |
Allah Glory be to Him said:
36. And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do.
37. And this Qur'ân is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allâh (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation)[] which was before it [i.e. the Taurât (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) - wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns,and all that exists).
38. Or do they say: "He (Muhammad SAW) has forged it?" Say: "Bring then a Sűrah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allâh, if you are truthful!"
39. Nay, they deny that; the knowledge whereof they could not compass and whereof the interpretation has not yet come unto them. Thus those before them did deny. Then see what was the end of the Zâliműn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.)!
40. And of them there are some who believe therein, and of them there are some who believe not therein, and your Lord is All-Aware of the Mufsidűn (evil-doers, liars, etc.).
41. And if they belie you, say: "For me are my deeds and for you are your deeds! You are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what you do!"
42. And among them are some who listen to you, but can you make the deaf to hear, even though they apprehend not?
43. And among them are some who look at you, but can you guide the blind, even though they see not?
44. Truly! Allâh wrongs not mankind in aught; but mankind wrong themselves.
45. And on the Day when He shall gather (resurrect) them together, (it will be) as if they had not stayed (in the life of this world and graves, etc.) but an hour of a day. They will recognise each other. Ruined indeed will be those who denied the meeting with Allâh, and were not guided. |
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05-10-2008, 01:47 AM
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| Allah The Most High said: 96. Truly! Those, against whom the Word (Wrath) of your Lord has been justified, will not believe.
97. Even if every sign should come to them, - until they see the painful torment.
98. Was there any town (community) that believed (after seeing the punishment), and its Faith (at that moment) saved it (from the punishment)? (The answer is none,) - except the people of Yûnus (Jonah); when they believed, We removed from them the torment of disgrace in the life of the (present) world, and permitted them to enjoy for a while.
99. And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you (O Muhammad SAW) then compel mankind, until they become believers.
100. It is not for any person to believe, except by the Leave of Allâh, and He will put the wrath on those who are heedless.
101. Say: "Behold all that is in the heavens and the earth," but neither Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) nor warners benefit those who believe not.
102. Then do they wait for (anything) save for (destruction) like the days of the men who passed away before them? Say: "Wait then, I am (too) with you among those who wait."
103. Then (in the end) We save Our Messengers and those who believe! Thus it is incumbent upon Us to save the believers.
104. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "O you mankind! If you are in doubt as to my religion (Islâm), then (know that) I will never worship those whom you worship, besides Allâh. But I worship Allâh Who causes you to die, I am commanded to be one of the believers.
105. "And (it is inspired to me): Direct your face (O Muhammad SAW) entirely towards the religion Hanifa (Islâmic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allâh Alone), and never be one of the Mushrikûn (those who ascribe partners to Allâh, polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh, and those who worship others along with Allâh).
106. "And invoke not besides Allâh, any that will neither profit you, nor hurt you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers).[]"
107. And if Allâh touches you with hurt, there is none who can remove it but He; and if He intends any good for you, there is none who can repel His Favour which He causes it to reach whomsoever of His slaves He will. And He is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
108. . Say: "O you mankind! Now truth (i.e. the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad SAW), has come to you from your Lord. So whosoever receives guidance, he does so for the good of his own self, and whosoever goes astray, he does so to his own loss, and I am not (set) over you as a Wakîl (disposer of affairs to oblige you for guidance)."
109. And (O Muhammad SAW), follow the inspiration sent unto you, and be patient till Allâh gives judgement. And He is the Best of judges. |
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05-10-2008, 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Absolute ...I would like to say one thing about what Astreja said. Not believing in hell simply because of the fact that it may produce "submission" by a person is not remotely logical... | [list][*]A genuinely omnipotent god could not be harmed by any other being, and would have no need for 'obedience' of any sort.
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Book 032, Number 6246:
Abu Dharr reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying
that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, said: My servants, I have made
oppression unlawful for Me and unlawful for you, so do not commit oppression
against one another. My servants, all of you are liable to err except one
whom I guide on the right path, so seek right guidance from Me so that I
should direct you to the right path. O My servants, all of you are hungry
(needy) except one whom I feed, so beg food from Me, so that I may give
that to you. O My servants, all of you are naked (need clothes) except one
whom I provide garments, so beg clothes from Me, so that I should clothe
you. O My servants, you commit error night and day and I am there to
pardon your sins, so beg pardon from Me so that I should grant you pardon.
O My servants, you can neither do Me any harm nor can you do Me any
good. O My servants, even if the first amongst you and the last amongst you
and even the whole of human race of yours, and that of jinns even, become
(equal in) God-conscious like the heart of a single person amongst you,
nothing would add to My Power. O My servants, even if the first amongst you
and the last amongst you and the whole human race of yours and that of the
Jinns too in unison become the most wicked (all beating) like the heart of a
single person, it would cause no loss to My Power. O My servants, even if
the first amongst you and the last amongst you and the whole human race of
yours and that of jinns also all stand in one plain ground and you ask Me and
I confer upon every person what he asks for, it would not. in any way, cause
any loss to Me (even less) than that which is caused to the ocean by dipping
the needle in it. My servants, these for you I shall reward you for thern, so
he who deeds of yours which I am recording finds good should praise Allah
and he who does not find that should not blame anyone but his ownself. Sa'id
said that when Abu Idris Khaulini narrated this hadith he knelt upon his knees. |
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05-10-2008, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by a slave of Allah
you know your origin. | yes and no,
i don't know if theres a god
you and me have probally come from very different cultures and subcultures, we've been raised differently and thus see the world through different eyes.
i don't know how life started, i have my theories, but time has hidden the evidence.
i don't know if god or not created the universe, it seems unobservable as of yet, although i do lean towards god being a human creation, theres alot of evidence it seems that points in this direction. i live my life with out a god, i try to live it with love though.
i can't reamber when i was a baby,
i can reamber when i was young, and i base what i think off of the experience i have, this is really all i have.
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05-10-2008, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by a slave of Allah Quote:
Originally Posted by romansh Dear asoA,
So you believe in Allah,
you know your Qur'an.
This is nice. | sure, thank you very much brother: romansh | your welcome .... but you did not answer my question(s):
Now what?
can we have a debate, a discussion or would you like to examine our ideas and our thoughts on this kind of matter?
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05-10-2008, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathematician It is not very hard to find out you are a “slave” and not a free thinker, I reckon. That is also obvious that you have nothing to say except what had been said by an Arab king, Mohammed. | a slave of freedom, is also a slave.
if you submit yourself for freedom, then I submit My self to The Lord of the freedom.
Allah is The Just, Who controls the freedom, and it is He Who decide the limits of the freedom. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathematician I mean, who had a lot of wives and slaves in his Harem. He had nothing to do with morality, kindness, …, because of his deed during 6th century. He raped Ayasheh when she was only 8 or 9 under the name of marriage. How could she decide to marry Mohammed at 9? We call such an action pedophilia, don’t we? Meanwhile, he killed many Jews and owned their property and wives. How could such a person be called “gentle”, “light”, “polite”… etc? | I don't know why all this hate against a man, who want us to be saved, and live a true life which is full of beauty and light, but I will reply for you (O brother Mohammad peace be upon you).
You will not know Islam, unless you know what was befor it, and you will not know Mohammad, if you don't know his high massage (Islam).
I want to say that, when you think nicely about Mohammad, you will find him there as you thought, but if think badly, then you will find him in the opposite side (the good one).
first, Mohammad got married of Ayasheh when she was 9, and when she was adult and had 10 years, he did what any husband do with his wife.
what is wrong with this!?
and, not after 1 day of marrige, nor after 1 week or 1 month, after 1 complete year, he did what any husband do with his wife, (although each husband will do that thing in the first day, Maximum befor the end of the first week of marrige).
Is this not enough to think good about him?
second, this is not your business, she was happy with him. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathematician How did you find it out? What was the other words that you reckon such a silly word like “la ilah illaa allah” is the most beautiful? I wonder if you lived during the 6th century and heard that word from Arabs who were there to rape your wives and girls and own all your property and kill you or make you a slave, just for nothing except you have not any idea about Muslims imaginary friends, Allah! and still wanted to be a Muslim!
A question: Has anybody but Muslims believed that slavery is a moral deed? See “Nessa’ 24” to find that some of Muslims’ (including Mohammed’s) slaves were married women. Muslims are the greatest enemy of Human right by believing in Quran and Allah, I reckon. | 1. A dirty person will not see the beauty, his eyes are full of bad things.
2. there is no slaves for Mohammad, we are the slaves of the Lord of existance.
3. A lier person always chooses some wrong information and mixes it with some true news, in a way that is full of evil, so that he may hide the truth.
4. I will show you that you have nothing, but a lie or you have been deceived.
Mohammad is gentle, Mohammad is light
Mohammad (the prophet), was very polite
Mohammad was calling people to Paradise
only wrong people (against him) fight
Peace be upon you, dear Mohammad
during the day, and during the night |
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05-10-2008, 06:27 PM
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first, Mohammad got married of Ayasheh when she was 9, and when she was adult and had 10 years, he did what any husband do with his wife.
what is wrong with this!?
| I just don't even know what to say. What is even left to say? I've just never even heard someone say such a thing. This goes beyond words. I'm genuinely shocked. I don't think even cultural differences can account for this. It is just not human.
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05-10-2008, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by a slave of Allah a slave of freedom, is also a slave. | No. "Slave of freedom" is an oxymoron... A contradiction in terms. Allah is not yet proven to exist. The Qur'an is just a book, and cannot be used as proof. Quote: |
I don't know why all this hate against a man, who want us to be saved, and live a true life which is full of beauty and light...
| A "true life" and "beauty and light" are not the exclusive property of your religion. They are available to all sentient beings, without exception, regardless of what they believe. Quote: |
first, Mohammad got married of Ayasheh when she was 9, and when she was adult and had 10 years, he did what any husband do with his wife.
| In other words, he raped a little girl. A nine-year-old child is not physiologically or psychologically capable of being a "wife", and ten years of age is not adulthood. Quote: |
second, this is not your business, she was happy with him.
| We do not know this for sure, and I doubt very much that this was the case. For all we know she endured great pain and was in fear for her life. Don't believe everything you read -- Examine real life to see if what you believe actually makes sense. Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudonous I just don't even know what to say. What is even left to say? I've just never even heard someone say such a thing. This goes beyond words. I'm genuinely shocked. I don't think even cultural differences can account for this. It is just not human. | Agreed. If the Mohammad/Ayasheh story is true, it's frightful and disgusting. But it's even more disgusting to hear someone in the 21st century defending it. |
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