Allah is above what you think and imagine - Page 3

Og · 05-08-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by greywolf90

wow great stuff og. i love your whole concept of self, sacrifice, and core. i never really thought about self sacrifice really being an extension of self preservation, but it really makes sense to me now. your point on how the brain sacrifices the arm in order to protect itself reminded me of apoptosis, where billions of your cells kill themselves for the benefit of the core. it also never occured to me that your self can be extended beyond your body (i vaguely remember you mentioning this sometime before, but i didn't understand it). your ideas really gave me some food for thought.

Yeah, I love this notion! It also describes EVERY act as selfish in nature. Altruism is an ILLUSION! But it is a clear and concise theory that seems to cover all the bases. I think it's a good unifying theory for much of human behavior.

It even covers people who do good works in fear of hell (i.e. religious "altruism."). That's self preservation as well.

shadowind · 05-08-2008, 02:43 PM

its also observable, everything can come down to what someone calls the self.

shadowind · 05-08-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by a slave of Allah

I have submit myself to God, and you submit yourself to yourself which is created by God.
Is the One who create like the one who create not ?
so, my submission is more reasonable than yours, since I submit to the creator (God), and you for a created thing (slave).

go and find another god who has the same qualities as you, if you respect him he will deal with you as that who respect him not.

Allah is The Great, if you respect Him, you will find Him Merciful with you, but if you do not, then you are the loser, He will disgrace you in Hell.

the opposit of the Great is the disgraced, so do not oppose Allah.

maby i demand respect from god, and will gladly not submit intill i am no longer a slave.

Astreja · 05-08-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Absolute

...I would like to say one thing about what Astreja said. Not believing in hell simply because of the fact that it may produce "submission" by a person is not remotely logical...

I think we have a bit of a disconnect here. The "submission" aspect is not why I don't believe in Hell. The Hell-myth is, however, intimately related to human overlords trying to frighten other humans into obedience.

I think Hell is extremely unlikely because...

A genuinely omnipotent god could not be harmed by any other being, and would have no need for 'obedience' of any sort.
A genuinely loving god would not even consider torturing a sentient being for eternity.

If you do believe, also try to find it in yourself to believe that an actual god would not resort to such barbarity.

Astreja · 05-08-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by a slave of Allah

The Holy Qur'an is The maricle book, full of Majesty:

In my opinion, it's fiction.

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caution for women: You will be one of those girls described in the above book, nay you will be more beautiful than they, if you are believer.

Actually, your 'paradise' sounds rather grim. 'Beauty' does not tempt me. And I have no desire to become the wife of any man.

I am also one of the 'Mujrimûn' -- I am an agnostic polytheist.

a slave of Allah · 05-09-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by romansh

Dear asoA,

So you believe in Allah,
you know your Qur'an.

This is nice.

sure, thank you very much brother: romansh

a slave of Allah · 05-09-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Absolute

I am not going to be getting into this topic due to the fact that I am not on my computer enough to bother, but I would like to say one thing about what Astreja said. Not believing in hell simply because of the fact that it may produce "submission" by a person is not remotely logical. Imagine a rebelious teenager who didn't believe in prison because he didn't want to believe there was an actual place where people who disobey the law are sent to be locked up for their crimes. So he says, "Honestly, I don't believe in prison. I think it's just a place people with suits and badges made up to scare people into submitting to the law." Until, of course, it is too late and he has been "locked up" due to his ignorance and disobdience, both products of the lack of concern for authority; that is, at least, any authority which condemns what the person themself does.

thank you very much brother:Absolute.

May Allah give you a reward for this, verily His reward is always Great.

a slave of Allah · 05-09-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanya

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Originally Posted by a slave of Allah

I had some problems, but when I asked Him to help me, they all were solved.

Can you tell us more about this?

sure.
I had CE201 course and the number of absences allowed is 12, then after that a DN grade will be given to the student according to the law of the university.

I was absent many times in the first 2 weeks, so the doctor warned me and had a bad impression about me (he had the right to do so).
the class started at 8:00 am, and I used to sleep at 1:30 am and wake up at 4:00 am to pray (we have 5 prayers every day, their time is ordained By Allah glorybe to Him) then I go back to sleep again, and sometimes I miss the class.

when I reached 13 absences, it was on wednesday, the doctor was angry from me and said: I warned you alot, and you will see the DN grade in your transcript on saturday, exept if you have a medical excuse. otherwise don't come to my class.

I said, I have no excuse.

I asked Allah to help me: ( O Allah, you are The Most Generous, every thing happen if and only if you allow it to be, you are The King and every one in the heavens and on the Earth is Your slave, the hearts of people is Your Hand, O my God, I am not a good person, but you are the Generous. if You answer me, then this is because You are Generous, and if You do not answer me, then this is because You are Just and I am a bad person.
O my Lord, help me and do not let me have a DN grade. verily You are The Merciful, and You are able to do all things ).

then, on saturday, I planned to go to the class early, but I slept.
I said, maybe Allah Gave me the chance, but I did not use it.

I didn't find the doctor on saturday, I found him on sunday and when I met him, he said: why you were absent yesterday, I said to him: sorry, I slept and I have no excuse.

He said: I will give you a chance, but if you miss the class again, you will get the DN grade.

On monday, I missed the class.
I said to the doctor: thank you very much, you were kind with me, may Allah give you a great reward for what you have done for me, then I went.

he said: look, this is the last chance I will give you.
if you miss the class again, I will give you the DN grade for sure.

I thanked him and never I missed the class after that.

All the praises and thanks be to Allah.
yes, He is My Lord, and I am His slave. I need Him The All Rich, The Praiseworthy.

Mathematician · 05-09-2008, 03:50 PM

It is not very hard to find out you are a “slave” and not a free thinker, I reckon. That is also obvious that you have nothing to say except what had been said by an Arab king, Mohammed I mean, who had a lot of wives and slaves in his Harem. He had nothing to do with morality, kindness, …, because of his deed during 6th century. He raped Ayasheh when she was only 8 or 9 under the name of marriage. How could she decide to marry Mohammed at 9? We call such an action pedophilia, don’t we? Meanwhile, he killed many Jews and owned their property and wives. How could such a person be called “gentle”, “light”, “polite”… etc?

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I like to begin with the most beautiful word in the world, that is:

(La ilah illaa Allah)

This is the secret of the existence.

for this word you are created, and for this word there are Heaven and Hell, and according to this word you will be judged,

How did you find it out? What was the other words that you reckon such a silly word like “la ilah illaa allah” is the most beautiful? I wonder if you lived during the 6th century and heard that word from Arabs who were there to rape your wives and girls and own all your property and kill you or make you a slave, just for nothing except you have not any idea about Muslims imaginary friends, Allah! and still wanted to be a Muslim!

A question: Has anybody but Muslims believed that slavery is a moral deed? See “Nessa’ 24” to find that some of Muslims’ (including Mohammed’s) slaves were married women. Muslims are the greatest enemy of Human right by believing in Quran and Allah, I reckon.

Mathematician · 05-09-2008, 03:59 PM

Vist :

http://www.dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/

go to "4. An Nisa", 24th.

Also this is from 5.Al Maidah, 33:

"The recompense of those who wage war against All�h and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter."

What a shame!