Astreja

We do not allow illegal relationships. For instance, we prosecute adults who have sexual relations with animals, with developmentally challenged individuals, or with minors under the legal age of consent.

We do allow relationships between any two consenting adults, regardless of gender. It is not "illegal" under the laws of my country.
Yes. And I am proud that we do so. The GLBT community has been persecuted for a long, long time, frequently on the basis of religious bias, and it's good to see common sense and respect for human rights finally gaining the upper hand.

xexon

It's not being judgemental as much as it is being instructive. Where one decides to draw the line is up to personal choice.

I'm merely emphasizing the importance of the choice, as this will affect your spiritual well being. Look at what an upsetting power it has so far. It upsets because the mind has an incomplete picture and struggles for a better one.

It struggles against a tide of beliefs laid down by morals forged in a modern day. It makes having an open mind more difficult.

That's what I meant by the statement.




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shadowind

a child lacks the mental ability, it might of been acceptable under that time, however its not acceptable in my mind. if something from the past wishes to remain as part of the current then it will be examined under current eyes, if someone wants to understand the past, it might be good to examine it in the eyes of the past. however acceptance into the current is gained through current eyes, not though old. i don't know if marrige of the young is part of islam, i'm guessing not really, i'm guessing its more of a cultural thing and less of a religious thing. i'm cool with most the islamic people i meet, same with most christan, i don't normally bring up god and spiritual things unless i've knowen the person for a little bit, and usally people don't like to argue/debate(unfortenly), so normally they don't bring it up to me once they know some more about me.

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a slave of Allah

Allah said:
33. We know indeed the grief which their words cause you (O Muhammad SAW): it is not you that they deny, but it is the Verses (the Qur'ân) of Allâh that the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong*doers) deny.

34. Verily, (many) Messengers were denied before you (O Muhammad SAW), but with patience they bore the denial, and they were hurt, till Our Help reached them, and none can alter the Words (Decisions) of Allâh. Surely there has reached you the information (news) about the Messengers (before you).

35. If their aversion (from you, O Muhammad SAW and from that with which you have been sent) is hard on you, (and you cannot be patient from their harm to you), then if you were able to seek a tunnel in the ground or a ladder to the sky, so that you may bring them a sign (and you cannot do it, so be patient). And had Allâh willed, He could have gathered them together (all) unto true guidance, so be not you one of those who are Al-Jâhilûn (the ignorant).

36. It is only those who listen (to the Message of Prophet Muhammad SAW), will respond (benefit from it), but as for the dead (disbelievers), Allâh will raise them up, then to Him they will be returned (for their recompense).

Astreja

ASoA, this is a fragment of scripture from *my* tradition:
I know exactly what it says, but to you it probably looks like gibberish. This tends to be the effect of quoting scripture on an Internet forum: If only one party is interested in the text, tossing verses around simply results in a breakdown of communication.

Talk to us as equals, and in your own voice. Quoting the Qur'an at us is wasting our time and yours as well.

buzz2

Slave of Allah,

Call it what you will. But the way it looks to me, is that you advocate the rape and molestation of young children. Doesn't matter which society it's in.
It is what it is... Child Molestation. And if you did a search on the most downloaded websites by muslims, it will come back with homosexuality and kiddie porn. This research has been done. Not by me but by a security firm
on muslim behavior and relations. Sorry I don't know exactly who it was that did the research though. It says that homosexuality is quite prevalent in the muslim world. Just not out in the open. In the closet you might say.
So, it's not just the "western world" as you put it. I suggest you get your facts straight first before making accusations. And it's not the whole western
world. Maybe a fraction at best. It's just that our news media is allowed to
publish or broadcast without fear of reprisal from the government. Unlike the muslim society, where you can't say anything for fear of death or mutilation under the foot of the repressive sharia (you spell it) laws. Heck, muslim women are treated worse than cattle. In our society, (western), women are treated with respect and honor and dignity. The way GOD intended it to be.
Give all praise to our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. Lord of Lords. King of Kings. The Almighty GOD.

Og

I thought the "president" of Iran said that there were no homosexuals in the muslim countries. Should I believe him or this "security firm?" The one that has "done the research."

This is laughable. It's in spite of religion as well. It has nothing to do with christianity. Christianity would just as soon burn free thinking women at the steak. Baptists in this country, to this day, demand that the woman be at home and that the man be the lord of the household.

The Quran, ironically, was one of the oldest documents to actually give property rights to women. Womens rights came as a result of secular society, not western theology. Secular society had to pull these rights out of the death grip that western religion had on them.

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buzz2

I suggest you check out what sharia law says about the "rights" of women. Then get back to me. It is the most oppressive system in the world. Any society that allows for the killing of a woman because they were RAPED, simply because they think that she didn't fight back hard enough is quite simply barbaric. They need to get out of the 7th century. I don't know where you get your information from but, you are highly mistaken or misinformed. And are you not the "head" of your household? I AM.
You can choose to believe the pres. of Iran if you want to, but I wouldn't put any money on whether he's being truthful or not about ANYTHING. I hope you were just being sarcastic.

a slave of Allah

I will reply soon. but please read carfully what I post, then see if what you said make sense.

xexon

Buzz, you need to stop watching so much TV. Not all Muslims live an orthodox lifestyle. They are plenty of backsliders in Islam just like there are in Christianity.

People are the same all over the world.

Don't concentrate on the differences.

Concentrate on the people.

Substance not form.


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