xexon

Why is it that people who have a bone to pick with Islam like to focus on Aisha?

This has NOTHING to do with modern day Islam. Not a thing.

These kinds of attacks are a result of social engineering by those who DO have a bone to pick with Islam. They've been conditioned by the media to demonize the Muslim world so we we finally do bomb them, everybody can walk away with a smile on their face because they thought it was something that needed to be done. Don't go there.

Dameedna, it is wrong to judge ancient people through modern eyes.

While your views are correct in the modern day and in the west, child brides are still the norm for many parts of the world. Imposing your western morals on them is wrong.

In ancient times, to be married was to have a chance at survival. One that might not exist for an unwed female in a male warrior's world.

Aisha most likely had her first mensus at 9. That is the traditional time a girl can be married off. Girls in hot climates tend to mature faster, so 9 seems younger than you're used to hearing about. If you were from Sweden, you might not mature sexually until 12-13.

You have overlooked the fact that Aisha was happy with Mohammed. She was a favored wife and helped lead the crusade for Islam after his death.

Our Christian upbrings have colored our abilites to see the good in some things.



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dameedna

I suggest you read my ENTIRE post, before reacting emotionally to the subject matter.

Yes..I see the red face upon reading, and yes, I forgive you. I am passionate as well

a slave of Allah

I enjoy replying to such lier, because I don't need to search a lot, I will use only his/her post.
see the contradiction

a slave of Allah

Pleace read carfuly:

sisterX

Some people claim the Bukari and Muslim hadith reporting Hazrat Aisha’s age are “weak” (I won’t call them weak hadits, in reality they are attack on our prophet pbuh.)

There is material from both these hadith writers and earlier Islamic histories suggesting Aisha must have been older than nine when married.

According to hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE. However, because no one below the age of fifteen was allowed to accompany raiding parties, Aisha should have been at least fifteen in 624 CE and thus at least thirteen when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.

Ibn Hisham’s recension of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rashul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islam around 610 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least three years of age, which would make her at least fifteen in 622 CE.

Tabari reports that Abu Bakr wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut`am’s son. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of marriageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than nine in 622 CE.

Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr’s four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah, the pre Islamic period, which could be said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE.

According to Ibn Hajar, Fatima was five years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was thirty-five years old, meaning Aisha was born when he was forty years old, and thus twelve when Muhammad married at fifty-two.

Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn Urwa reporting on the authority of his father. All the narratives of this event have been reported through narrators from Iraq, where Hisham ibn Urwa is reported to have shifted after living in Madinah for seventy-one years. It is reported in one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to the Muhammad reports that Yaqub ibn Shaibah said, “narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq”. It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq. Another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Muhammad reports that when he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly.

According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha was born about eight years before Hijrah. However, according to another narrative in Bukhari (Kitaab al-Tafseer) Aisha is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur’an , was revealed, “I was a young girl”. The 54th Surah of the Qur’an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Aisha had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl, not even only an infant at that time. So if this age is assumed to be 7 to 14 years then her age at the time of marriage would be 14 to 21.

According to almost all the historians, Asma the elder sister of Aisha, was ten years older than Aisha. It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma died in the 73rd year after migration of Muhammad when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73rd year after Migration to Medina, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of migration. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Aisha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Aisha - if she got married in 1 AH (after Migration to Medina) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

According to many Ahadith in Bukhari, it is believed Aisha participated in the battle of Badr and Uhud.Also in Bukhari (Kitabu’l-maghazi) Ibn `Umar states that the Prophet did not permit me to participate in Uhud, as at that time, I was 14 years old. But on the day of Khandaq, when I was 15 years old, the Prophet permitted my participation. So if it was not allowed to participate in Uhud for people younger than 15, then Aisha would be atleast 15 in those battles, making her age atleast 13 to 14 at the time of marriage.

Tabaqat ibn Sa’d, 8:58; Ansab al-Ashraf, 1:410. Opinions are in disagreement concerning her marriage with Muhammad. Their marriage seems to have taken place either two of five years after the Migration (Usd al-ghaba, 5:501).

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dameedna

No I don't see it. You will have to explain your view please.

dameedna

Huh? you are responding toward a post not even directed at you, and you make a collection of statements. If you'd like to discuss something I'm happy to, but otherwise not sure what to say to your out of context response.

xexon

Do not mistake intellectual depth for passion. I don't allow emotion when I talk about God. I make a policy out of it. That kind of approach has made a mess out of the world and I made the conscious decision years ago not to indulge in it. I don't need to slam my fist on the podium to get people's attention. I do it the old fashioned way. Substance.

My writing style seems robust to many, but for me personally, it's just play.

Now, to continue,

In your statements earlier, you use the term rape. I find that strong and a product of a western upbringing. She was still his wife. Legal, in that day and time.

Any disagreement you have about her age regarding sex is going to be measured against your own personal concepts of morality, which are largely a product of Christianity, as are the laws that enforce them.

The whole of western "white" society has been cast in this image.

This is a different culture and a different time. One outside of the usual template you use to measure things by. In those days, you did what you had to do to ensure your own survival. You'll worry about morality later when you've got a moment to sit down and reflect.

Another point to consider. To most, a girl having sex at this age is unthinkable. It wasn't without regulation back then. Often, there was like a group of village midwives who had final say when a girl was "ready".

They understood the dangers of getting a young girl pregnant. It was a death sentence as it was unlikely she could carry the child to term. The midwives wouldn't have released her if they thought this was the case.



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1. Each people have thier own tradition, they were in the opposite side, East.
2. No one said to you that you have to do this.


We don't allow rape at all.

But her parent were happy, and she was more happy than them.

1. I know that you will fight, because you don't want holy relationship, you call such is rape.
But you allow illegal relationships, and you call that freedom!

2. The western world defend for homosexual people....!

1. Muslims don't do what you do, because they follow Mohammad PBUH.

2. If we weigh the behavior of Mohammad, and the behavior of all people, Mohammad will be more polit than them.

romansh

although I agree with the sentiment completely, I thought "wrong" was an interesting choice of word.

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