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Old 05-17-2008, 11:29 AM   #111 (permalink)
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.....It is simple sister, God tells us he created us for one purpose and that is to worship and obey Him. Because of the fact he created us with free will, there will be those who chose not to obey Him.
It is not our duty to question God and figure out why He has Created us
Sister X ... this will never be a god of a curious person.
Why do we have curiousity?
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Old 05-17-2008, 05:41 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Dear brother Save-of-Allah, with respect, please remember it is not in your power to guide anyone but it is in Allah's Power to guide those who seek His guidance. It is not permitted for us to offend and talk down to anybody, your duty is only to portray the message of Islam and the example of our noble prophet.
thank you very much sister x.

yes, it is not me who guide myself even.

All the praises and thanks be to The One Who has guided me (Allah glory be to Him).

8. (they say): "Our Lord! Let not our hearts deviate (from the truth) after You have guided us, and grant us mercy from You. Truly, You are the Bestower."

O My servants, all of you are astray except for those I have guided, so seek guidance of Me and I shall guide you.
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Old 05-17-2008, 09:35 PM   #113 (permalink)
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My dear sister Astreja, God is never injured by anything He is the Almighty all Powerful above everything. He is in no need of your acceptance and recognition. His Power does not decrease even by a fraction if you decide not to worship Him and niether does His Might increase with your worship.

It is simple sister, God tells us he created us for one purpose and that is to worship and obey Him. Because of the fact he created us with free will, there will be those who chose not to obey Him.
It is not our duty to question God and figure out why He has Created us with this freedom of will we must simply accept the fact that He has, and has laid out instructions for us that we may prosper in this world and the next.
Really? So God created us so that we may worship and obey her? She sounds really needy if you ask me. Does God need anything? It sounds as if you say that God needs worship and obedience. Is this true? I always thought that she needed nothing and has everything.
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It is simple sister, God tells us he created us for one purpose and that is to worship and obey Him. Because of the fact he created us with free will, there will be those who chose not to obey Him.
Well, SisterX, that 'purpose' does not sit well with me. It feels wrong, very wrong, almost to the point of nausea. The idea of having the purpose of my life assigned to me by some other being essentially negates my free will to determine my own purpose.

And I still can't understand why a god would want to be worshipped...
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Define purpose and need, then see if they are the same?


if you are fool, then you have no purpose of any action you do.
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if you are fool, then you have no purpose of any action you do.
Just to be a fool may be all that is required.
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Define purpose and need, then see if they are the same?
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without quoting the Qur'an, what is your purpose or need?
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Define purpose and need, then see if they are the same?
Purpose: The motivation for one's actions. For instance, my chosen purpose is to create music, writings and art.
Need: Something that one requires in order to do something else. For instance, we need food, water and oxygen in order to live.

The two words can be seen as roughly equivalent if we're talking about Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. The pinnacle of Maslow's system is self-actualization, or striving to fulfill one's potential as a human being.

Some people find this fulfillment in religion; some do not. I find my fulfillment in action... Specifically, creative work and other projects that place high demands on my concentration and also engage my body. (Examples: Working in the garden; typing medical reports; playing a musical instrument.) In that regard, my expression of purpose in life closely resembles the conditions for producing "flow" as described in the research of Mihály Csíkszentmihályi.
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if you are fool, then you have no purpose of any action you do.
Just to be a fool may be all that is required.

Dear brother:
If you know the test, and you know how to pass, then do your best and Allah will admit you into paradise.
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first, Mohammad got married of Ayasheh when she was 9, and when she was adult and had 10 years, [U
he did what any husband do with his wife[/u].
He married her, when she was 6 and waited till she was 9 to consumate the marriage. IE..she was 9 when they first had sex.

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what is wrong with this!?
A 6 or 9 year old, cannot make a life-long commitment to an adult. Regardless of what age you believe she was when she got married, 6 or 9 forcing a child into a life-long commitment is cruel.

She had no choice. That is what is wrong.

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and, not after 1 day of marrige, nor after 1 week or 1 month, after 1 complete year, he did what any husband do with his wife, (although each husband will do that thing in the first day, Maximum befor the end of the first week of marrige).
Actually, he waited 3 years after marriage. She was 6 when married and 9 when raped.

But above you claim she married at 9, and after 1 year he had sex with her.

So Mohammed had sex with a 10 year old, according to you.

If this is acceptable to you, then fine but I tell you this. The western world will fight, very strongly against the rape of children and your religion will not be respected it will be reviled if this is what you preach.

In the west, we do not marry 6 year olds, or 9 year olds nor do we allow them to be raped when they are 9 or 10 years of age.

yes..we think it is wrong. And most parents will die, before they allow their children to be subjected to this.

Your prophet...raped a child. Just so we are clear on this.


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Is this not enough to think good about him?
No, it makes him quite horrible. But fortunately, I understand mohammed in a way you don't seem to.

I think Mohammed was in many ways a very good man. In accordance with his culture, he went above and beyond for women. He married women, he never intended to sleep with because back then women had no protection other than marriage and he married women, with no intention toward them sexually.

He had two main points to make in all his teachings. There is ONE god, not many tribal gods (same as Jesus). And... All humans are equal..men, women and children, and women are worth more, than the sex they provide for men and shall be afforded the protection they deserve.

Marriage was protection in his culture. By marrying young, old, virgins, women with children, educated, no education, healthy, sick... mohammed showed the people that protection shall be afforded ALL women..not just the pretty nice ones that please a male sexually.

In Mohammeds culture, women were disrepected. Through his marriage of them, and subsequent protection he showed that protection of ALL WOMEN was required, and that they were not to be used.

His culture defined his behaviour. His beliefs however, define something much bigger than him.

His marriage to a 6 year old and subsequent rape of a 9 year old, does not actually discredit him so much as it shows his culture. The fact that he waited 3 years, was rather extrodinary in his time.

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second, this is not your business, she was happy with him.
If you want to push your religion on others, then the founder of your religion and what he does to children IS our business.

She didn't know anything else, and yes, when a 6 year old is married and a 9 year old is raped, in the West, we consider it our business.

Sorry if that offends you, but regardless of what your God say's, WE will not allow the rape of a child.

Unlike you, I suspect I understand it for what it was, and what it meant back in that period of time and that culture.

You seem to believe, it is still acceptable and no-ones business but a mans.
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