Do I really want to know the truth - Page 3

jimmy77611 · 05-05-2008, 09:49 AM

Again you use the bible to try to prove something.

The bible is not true, get over it. It is in no way the true history of life and the origin of the earth and the universe.

To say that someone is blinded by knowledge is absurd. We have great minds that are able to reason, and to look at something reasonably is obviously what we are supposed to do. If a religion tells us otherwise, then it is definitley not the tru religion of a god that created such reasoning minds.

Abel · 05-05-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy77611

Again you use the bible to try to prove something.

The bible is not true, get over it. It is in no way the true history of life and the origin of the earth and the universe.

To say that someone is blinded by knowledge is absurd. We have great minds that are able to reason, and to look at something reasonably is obviously what we are supposed to do. If a religion tells us otherwise, then it is definitley not the tru religion of a god that created such reasoning minds.

This is merely your opinion. Opinions are like feet -- Most people have a couple of them, and they all stink. At least I have something I believe in. I will always use the Bible to support my statements. You use...what?

jimmy77611 · 05-05-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Abel

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Originally Posted by jimmy77611

Again you use the bible to try to prove something.

The bible is not true, get over it. It is in no way the true history of life and the origin of the earth and the universe.

To say that someone is blinded by knowledge is absurd. We have great minds that are able to reason, and to look at something reasonably is obviously what we are supposed to do. If a religion tells us otherwise, then it is definitley not the tru religion of a god that created such reasoning minds.

This is merely your opinion. Opinions are like feet -- Most people have a couple of them, and they all stink. At least I have something I believe in. I will always use the Bible to support my statements. You use...what?

I use reality.

So my opinions stink? But yours are golden somehow?

StuckInThe90s · 05-05-2008, 05:34 PM

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BTW, we have eyewitness accounts that this is a true message. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Jude, James, and Peter all left us record. If you choose not to believe the evidence, so be it. You will live forever with the results of your choice.

That's funny. Really funny. Why do you people place so much credibility within the Bible just because "it's what it says"? Who's to say the Torah is any less credible than the Bible? Or the Koran for that matter? There are records from Buddhist monks from the time of Jesus that vouch for his historical existence, not years after where 8th hand reports come in, as well as a few other accounts. But these accounts never mention any "miraculous powers" that he displayed. Those stories are solely found in the Bible. As I said, don't knock another faith's holy book, those other religions could be just as valid as yours, don't be blind and ignorant. What jimmy said to buzz was true-

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You only believe it because someone told you, and you read about it in an ancient book of mythology. If you had grown up in a muslim country, you'd feel the same way about allah, and probably even just as sure about that as you are about christianity.

shadowind · 05-05-2008, 06:21 PM

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AGAIN you're wrong. It IS the destination that counts. The journey that you CHOOSE to take is of some importance also, because you will have to stand before GOD and explain each and every event in your life. But, you ultimately want to get to Heaven.

such assurance,
i think the destination is the same, we all end up in the same place, so by that logic the only thing left is the journey. however even with different destinations to stay the way is more important. i'll rather follow my heart, then drive with fear and hope that comes from such a transparent desire. people grasp at what dulls the fear. did you fear death before you believed? do you still?

its what it all comes down to, even giving is an act of recieving and keeping. the self is all we have really, no matter what theres always that ghost hanging above everything. even if the diffinition of I changed. God is a baby blanket, with out it you shiver in the cold, never relizing to turn off the airconditioner. unless u throw off that heavy and inhibiting burden and find the thermostate, you'll always be holding on to that afterlife at least, which is fine, getting rid of the dogma thins out the blanket so you can walk around instead of lie with your eyes covered proclaiming the light through the blanket "truth". they KNOW becuse their afraid to admitt otherwise, becuse if they didn't KNOW then its just a possibility, and its not nearly as comforting. its clear why most believe in a afterlife, its their baby bottle, its their pacifier. and the dogma is their moma that the milk comes from. religion, argh, i think its always has been this transparent to me, i reamber sitting in church and wondering if the music stopped if they would still raise their hands, or feel "god".

shadowind · 05-05-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Abel

This is merely your opinion. Opinions are like feet -- Most people have a couple of them, and they all stink. At least I have something I believe in. I will always use the Bible to support my statements. You use...what?

1. so is your idea merely your opinion?

2. would you say we all have something we believe in?

3. the same thing you use. he uses the experiences and such that helped to make him and his ideas. your experiences and such include your religion and the bible. do you know the most recent accurant bible prediction? unless i'm mistaken thats your main non-biblical bible support that you've given us that seems reasonable. having X proclaiming X as true is a circular argument. saying that the bible says that the bible is correct or something is the same as someone saying over and over that their correct becuse they say so.

greywolf90 · 05-06-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowind

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Originally Posted by buzz2

AGAIN you're wrong. It IS the destination that counts. The journey that you CHOOSE to take is of some importance also, because you will have to stand before GOD and explain each and every event in your life. But, you ultimately want to get to Heaven.

such assurance,
i think the destination is the same, we all end up in the same place, so by that logic the only thing left is the journey. however even with different destinations to stay the way is more important. i'll rather follow my heart, then drive with fear and hope that comes from such a transparent desire. people grasp at what dulls the fear. did you fear death before you believed? do you still?

its what it all comes down to, even giving is an act of recieving and keeping. the self is all we have really, no matter what theres always that ghost hanging above everything. even if the diffinition of I changed. God is a baby blanket, with out it you shiver in the cold, never relizing to turn off the airconditioner. unless u throw off that heavy and inhibiting burden and find the thermostate, you'll always be holding on to that afterlife at least, which is fine, getting rid of the dogma thins out the blanket so you can walk around instead of lie with your eyes covered proclaiming the light through the blanket "truth". they KNOW becuse their afraid to admitt otherwise, becuse if they didn't KNOW then its just a possibility, and its not nearly as comforting. its clear why most believe in a afterlife, its their baby bottle, its their pacifier. and the dogma is their moma that the milk comes from. religion, argh, i think its always has been this transparent to me, i reamber sitting in church and wondering if the music stopped if they would still raise their hands, or feel "god".

that was nicely said.

Abel · 05-06-2008, 07:57 AM

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BTW, we have eyewitness accounts that this is a true message. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Jude, James, and Peter all left us record. If you choose not to believe the evidence, so be it. You will live forever with the results of your choice.

That's funny. Really funny. Why do you people place so much credibility within the Bible just because "it's what it says"? Who's to say the Torah is any less credible than the Bible? Or the Koran for that matter? There are records from Buddhist monks from the time of Jesus that vouch for his historical existence, not years after where 8th hand reports come in, as well as a few other accounts. But these accounts never mention any "miraculous powers" that he displayed. Those stories are solely found in the Bible. As I said, don't knock another faith's holy book, those other religions could be just as valid as yours, don't be blind and ignorant. What jimmy said to buzz was true-

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Originally Posted by jimmy77611

You only believe it because someone told you, and you read about it in an ancient book of mythology. If you had grown up in a muslim country, you'd feel the same way about allah, and probably even just as sure about that as you are about christianity.

Prove to me that the Bible is incorrect in any way.

Og · 05-06-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Abel

This is merely your opinion. Opinions are like feet -- Most people have a couple of them, and they all stink. At least I have something I believe in. I will always use the Bible to support my statements. You use...what?

Why is it a virtue to have something you believe in without evidence? Why do you preface it by "at least" indicating it is some sort of basic need?

And the bible does not support your statements. It merely contains statements that, like your own, have no evidentiary support behind them. Saying things twice doesn't make them any more correct.

Og · 05-06-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

AGAIN you're wrong. It IS the destination that counts. The journey that you CHOOSE to take is of some importance also, because you will have to stand before GOD and explain each and every event in your life. But, you ultimately want to get to Heaven.

To me, this is the definition of being in hell. Unable to live your current life because all of your focus is on another life. Let tomorrow take care of itself! Look at the lilies of the field!

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Are you willing to put your eternity on the line? Where your soul will spend "forever"?

Hell yeah I'm willing to put ETERNITY on the line. I want to be able to, when I die, say that I acted reasonably and honestly. I'm not willing to burry eternity in the ground out of fear just as the servants buried the master's talents in jesus' parable.

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It's simple for me. I choose to spend it with The FATHER, our GOD, living in complete bliss. Not in hell being tormented FOREVER. Think of hell as your worst nightmare. Then multiply is thousands of times. I'm not willing to take that chance. Are you? That's the biggest gamble of all time, if you're willing to take it. Alot at stake. The journey is simple... for me. The destination is the house of the LORD. Most important.

Buzz! You make such insane statements! Have you ever thought about this? It's just like your comments about the "discovery of the ark" in the other thread. You put SO much value in these decisions and you get so passionate and express such vivid emotion about it and yet you are completely unwilling to invest even an iota of thought or effort into this topic!

You ARE talking about ETERNITY! More than that, you ARE talking about the NOW! And you're willing to just accept that you're correct in your selection of one of a myriad religions in the world with mutually exclusive paths to heaven (in a literal interpretation). You're willing to just blindly push on?

I guess I can appreciate that at your point in life. You've already gotten so deep into it, there's no turning back. Just don't try to force the same fear driven blindness onto the next generations!