noeticcenter

[romansh;28675]my apologies noetic .... you are right. I was thinking of a paper that published at the same time (and subsequently retracted) as your article was published.

Nevertheless particles as described by Jain and Singh cannot account for dark matter and any interaction with matter as they are far too short lived.

The wiki article on axions brifly mentions your paper.

Noetic response:

I suspect you are conflating any possible Dark Matter Chemistry/ chemicalbonds with coupling of 'dark matter body' to the visible body.
Axions are reported as of various kinds. I am positing that a bio dark matter version of axion-like particles may exist to give axion chemistry similar to ordinary chemistry, on the same principles of an axion Atomic Aufbau, Pauli Exclusion, spin, configuration, noble gas stability etc and then the rest...

Noetic

Og

The snail dissection is of a remarkable snail with only a few hundred neurons in its brain. The internal organs are all vibrantly colored, so the dissection is easy and the brain cells are gigantic so they are easy to pierce with extremely fine tipped electrodes. We use these cells to conduct voltage clamp experiments.

This is where we use a pair of electrodes to place the cell membrane at a fixed voltage and then change it to see what kind of electrically excitable properties we can find. These are fundamental properties that describe how neurons respond to incoming information.

The part of the brain that we work with looks like a pink polka-dot bikini top wrapped around the esophagus of the animal. We anesthetize them using a 10% listerine solution (go figure).

The specific type of snail we use is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymnaea

Cool stuff.

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Og

To quote the nature article you originally linked: "chargeless, spinless and near-massless particle"

Chemistry is a description of quantum-electrodynamic interactions between particles. How exactly is a chargeless/spinless particle going to participate in chemistry?

How can a spinless particle have the exclusion principle applied to it? etc?

I'm not sure what all this ghost junk is about.

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noeticcenter

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I suspect you are conflating any possible Dark Matter Chemistry/ chemicalbonds with coupling of 'dark matter body' to the visible body.
Axions are reported as of various kinds. I am positing that a bio dark matter version of axion-like particles may exist to give axion chemistry similar to ordinary chemistry, on the same principles of an axion Atomic Aufbau, Pauli Exclusion, spin, configuration, noble gas stability etc and then the rest...

Noetic
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To quote the nature article you originally linked: "chargeless, spinless and near-massless particle"

Chemistry is a description of quantum-electrodynamic interactions between particles. How exactly is a chargeless/spinless particle going to participate in chemistry?

How can a spinless particle have the exclusion principle applied to it? etc?

I'm not sure what all this ghost junk is about.
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Noetic response; Charge is what you define it to be. 'Mass' is the 'charge' in the gravitational field. If you are4 asking for a 'reason' for axion chemistry, thereis none. But that is true of ordinary chemistry also. You know only the 'how' not the 'why'.

There is no reason why a force like graviton/gravitino both positive and negative cannot act for axion-like matter particles in the same way as the electric charge for ordinary matter particles.

Noetic

noeticcenter

[Og;28780][quote=noeticcenter;28765]
I suspect you are conflating any possible Dark Matter Chemistry/ chemicalbonds with coupling of 'dark matter body' to the visible body.
Axions are reported as of various kinds. I am positing that a bio dark matter version of axion-like particles may exist to give axion chemistry similar to ordinary chemistry, on the same principles of an axion Atomic Aufbau, Pauli Exclusion, spin, configuration, noble gas stability etc and then the rest...

Noetic
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To quote the nature article you originally linked: "chargeless, spinless and near-massless particle"

Chemistry is a description of quantum-electrodynamic interactions between particles. How exactly is a chargeless/spinless particle going to participate in chemistry?

How can a spinless particle have the exclusion principle applied to it? etc?

I'm not sure what all this ghost junk is about.
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Noetic response;

Fermionic axions are reported. Also Pauli exclusion has been proposed for SUSY and axion particles. You can find them on the internet also. Look for fermionic axions or spin 1/2 axions and SUSY Chemistry.

Charge is what you define it to be. 'Mass' is the 'charge' in the gravitational field. If you are4 asking for a 'reason' for axion chemistry, thereis none. But that is true of ordinary chemistry also. You know only the 'how' not the 'why'.

There is no reason why a force like graviton/gravitino both positive and negative cannot act for axion-like matter particles in the same way as the electric charge for ordinary matter particles.

Noetic

Og

Huh? So you're imagining properties that have never been demonstrated? Sounds good! You have a hypothesis, now go test it!

As for a "reason" for chemistry, it's as I said. It's the sum of the quantum-electrodynamic interactions between atoms. As for a reason for the atoms in the first place, that's entirely a different story. But chemistry is well defined.

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Og

So the axions are NOT spinless as the nature article indicates?

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noeticcenter

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Noetic response; Charge is what you define it to be. 'Mass' is the 'charge' in the gravitational field. If you are4 asking for a 'reason' for axion chemistry, thereis none. But that is true of ordinary chemistry also. You know only the 'how' not the 'why'.

There is no reason why a force like graviton/gravitino both positive and negative cannot act for axion-like matter particles in the same way as the electric charge for ordinary matter particles.

Noetic

Huh? So you're imagining properties that have never been demonstrated? Sounds good! You have a hypothesis, now go test it!

As for a "reason" for chemistry, it's as I said. It's the sum of the quantum-electrodynamic interactions between atoms. As for a reason for the atoms in the first place, that's entirely a different story. But chemistry is well defined
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Noetic response:

Not really! The SUSSY chemistry does not rule out an Axion Chemistry. Yoour statement: "As for a "reason" for chemistry, it's as I said. It's the sum of the quantum-electrodynamic interactions between atoms", gives the 'how' of chemistry. Interactions exist. Why? Nobody knows. The rare gases have the maximal stability meaning minimum interactions. Again why? Today QM explains 'how' that stability is reached, not why.

As regards expriments, at least the differential emission rates of biophotons acorss the taxa is established seeking an explanation. Nobody so far paid any attention to this. Some have reported 100 times more emission from plant cels per unit area than human cells. It cannot be a DNA feature since these structures are very similar across the taxa.

Noetic

Og

I was not saying that this new chemistry you're talking about was ruled out. I was just pointing out that you were saying that something was possible without any evidence other than from what are thought to be similar systems. This is a basic hypothesis and should be tested if you're interested in the answer.

As for biophotons, what are you implying when you say that different tissues from different creatures give off different (and extremely weak) amounts of light? Why should this be paid attention to?

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noeticcenter

[Og;28835]I was not saying that this new chemistry you're talking about was ruled out. I was just pointing out that you were saying that something was possible without any evidence other than from what are thought to be similar systems. This is a basic hypothesis and should be tested if you're interested in the answer.

As for biophotons, what are you implying when you say that different tissues from different creatures give off different (and extremely weak) amounts of light? Why should this be paid attention to?
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Noetic response:

A. Nomenclature

Axion1 (emotons) corresponds to electrons, Axion2 (psychons) correspond to protons and Axion3 (neumatons) correspond to neutrons

Dark Matter Chemistry: Interraction between Dark Matter Atoms

Dark Matter Coupling: 'Complexation' of stable dark matter cells (or compounds)to corresponding light matter cells (or compounds). Complexation bonds in light matter may sometime just involve week bonds such as hydrogen bonds, Van der Wal's forces etc. (Van der wal forces may even create bonds between the inorganic glass fibers and organic polypropylene as well). Similar week Dark Matter Bonds also may exist in darkmatter bodies.

Complexation bonds should not be conflated with Lewis chemical bonds. So also, Dark Matter Chemistry should not be confused with Dark matter Interraction with light matter. Complexation is more physics than chemistry.They are two different processes.

Biophotons are extremely low frequency photons from living (and dying cells as well) possibly resulting from some form of very week interractions. The biophoton emission rates of sick cells and dying cells are significantly higher with a burst at the moment of death.

B. Biophotons & Dark Matter Chemistry

I have cited Biophoton emission rate as a possible evidence (not the proof) of Dark matter Chemistry. I will repeat it here:

1. Empirically there is a vegetative state (mind) common to all sentience and an animal state (mind) common to animals and humans, but an anthropic state (mind) unique to humans

2. There could be three different bio dark matter particles as counterparts of electrons (in plants only = emotons), protons (in animals and humans = psychons) and neutrons (in humans only = nematons)

3. Dark Matter chemistry is complete and most stable in humans, it is incomplete in animals and plants.

4. The 'complete' dark matter chemistry in humans may yield a dark body (the invisible homo sapiens) parallel (or orthogonal) to the visible body with electrons/emotons, protons/psychons and neutrons/neumatons all involved in coupling the two bodies. This coupling is more similar to 'complexation' than 'chemical bonds', more physics than chemistry.

5. The coupling of the light/dark 'bodies' is most stable in humans, less stable in animals and least stable in plants.

6. The most stable couplings in humans produce the least interractions and the least rate of biophoton emission from human cells per unit area. The least stable plant cells produce the most interractions and the highest rate of biophoton emission. The rate of emission from animals cells come in between.

7. The estimated rates of emission are 3^1 : 3^2 : 3^3 in humans, animals and plants where the powers 1, 2, 3 refer to the 'number of kinds' of dark matter particles in each taxon, the base 3 refer to the three light matter particles (electrons, protons & neutrons) in all sentience.

8. published reports are 10 to 100 times greater emission in plants than in animal and human cells.

Noetic