GX

I dont consider myself a part of the "Jesus crowd" or theistic. Just adhering to a spirituality that transcends religions. I could care less about "converting" anybody to my personal way of thinking or even converting the one Im debating with.
All I care about is encouraging the elimination of religious mythological negativity from God and spirituality no matter where it comes from by providing a balanced point of view.
If it provided some laughter and entertainment thats good too! You can never get enough of that!
Where people choose to go from there; atheism, agnosticism, eastern mysticism, spirituality, fundamental christianity etc. is their choice and path and I will stay out of their way.

Og

This is one big source of suffering... The notion that you got in and that you get out. You are a sensory and consciousness laden extension of the universe. So what if your sensory and memory retention organs dissociate at some point? How is it that "you get out" at that point? You is the whole universe.

This schism of being "placed in this world" and "taken out of it" puts us at harsh odds with our true nature.

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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici. (By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe)
Satchitananda - True Being, Pure Consciousness, and Bliss
Tat Tvam Asi - Thou art That.
You & I, no distinction.
Mettā & Namaste

Og

Monism is the way the world works. Your god is predicated on the existence of an intrinsic identity to each of us. Science clearly illustrates how each one of us (and all things, for that matter) are complex confluences of events just as a tornado or hurricane is a complex confluence of events.

With a clear illustration of a lack of intrinsic identity to all things (monism), it is clear that a separate god (i.e. the christian god who is a separate being from you) makes no sense. If there is a god, it is identical with your most basic nature and you are it.

You cannot escape causality (I'm not talking about determinism as quantum illustrates that as false). You are the sum of your experience. The enlightened person looks into any other individual and sees within them the entirety of the universe. We are expressions of the universe and do not have intrinsic identity. We are entirely defined by extrinsic factors.

This is a demonstrable fact.

Given this, the idea of an entity with intrinsic identity who punishes or rewards other individuals with their own intrinsic identities is clearly rubbish.

There's no fundamental difference between the connection between my hands typing this message and your eyes reading it than there is between any pair of neurons connected in your brain. The notion of a boundary between individuals is an illusion.

Christian God does not exist unless you reduce the definition of it to BE all things and toss out all that heaven/hell junk as some reference to something real.

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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici. (By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe)
Satchitananda - True Being, Pure Consciousness, and Bliss
Tat Tvam Asi - Thou art That.
You & I, no distinction.
Mettā & Namaste

AB517

Not really what we meant there big guy.
Put some humor in that body an be human.

AB517

agreed

because it is today.

duck

Ah, yes.

Life.....

Universally fatal.

And sexually transmitted.

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Religion: The ultimate definition of verisimilitude

shadowind

ah great

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

Composer

That's funny!

I did chuckle when I read it!

Cheers!