Religion encourages ignorance? - Page 14

**debdodd** · 04-29-2008, 11:10 AM

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And all of this means, what?* The bible is just a book.* Abel, you are an impressive scholar of this book, but I am also an impressive scholar of the works of JRR Tolkien.

That's great duck, but how does the writings of JRR Tolkien help you to have a better life? How does his writings release one from alcoholism? How does his writings help put a broken marriage back together? How do his writings change a person from a self-centered, prideful, arrogant man into a loving, caring, compassionate individual? Can his writings bring a peace of security in this topsy-turvy world? My Bible can!The Bible is more than a book. It is God's love letter to me. It is alive and powerful. When the principles of God's Word are applied to one's life, incredible transformations take place. BTW, JRR Tolkien was a devout Christian who was instrumental* in the conversion of S.C.Lewis from atheism to Christianity.

the bible doesn't stop marital problems or cure alcoholism ... it may be a catalyst for some people but that's not the only way.

It is a love letter to you to others just a piece of history .... you are only aware of how the bible has impacted certain lives ... some say Siddhartha changed their life, others say the Koran .... but you don't want to hear any of this ... you only want a one sided love-fest on scripture ... it works for you ....

once again why are you here? This isn't a christian site so I am curious why you keep posting the same stuff over and over again? Are you a martyr for Jesus?

**debdodd** · 04-29-2008, 11:46 AM

didn't call you "pooh" ... huh? .... is that what you want? if I act immature then you can write me off as a heathen non-believer? I play the jester on forum all the time and never keep it up for long. Laughing is balm for me not hellfire and brimstone rhetoric ....

I try and respond accordingly in threads ... as long as you are talking civil and not telling me about hell, I try and show some decorum ... but I can digress if need be ... just didn't feel it was necessary ....

I hadn't noticed people were asking you about the Bible in a kind and loving manner .... seems more like they people were either shooting your beliefs down or having fun with your sternness .... it is is/was seems likes your words are falling on deaf ears ... but whatever gets you thru the day ...

have a good one!

xexon · 04-29-2008, 12:03 PM

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Religion is based upon one's ability to see into the spiritual realms.

The less you can see, the more you need a seeing eye dog named religion. It provides a structure until you can build one of your own.

The more you can see, the less need for someone else's opinion of it. The religious and those who can actually see will always be at odds. Scripture is braille for the spiritually blind.

A spiritually mature person is one who has regained their sight.

They no longer need braille.

x

You speak of seeing into the spiritual realm. You are speaking of things you have no idea about. Spiritually, most people are blind as a bat. 2 Corinthians 4:4 "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." Satan blinds non-believers with philosophy, false religion, and anything they are willing to put in front of themselves.

Most folks are willfully blind. Light is presented to them, but they perfer to remain in darkness -- John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

True spiritual sight comes from Christ -- John 9:39 "And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind."

You cannot have spiritual sight until you first have spiritual life. John 3:6 -- "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." This spiritual life also comes from Christ -- Romans 8:10 "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." John 10:10 ... "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

All you offer is hollow words with a philosophical twist, taken from a dictionary or thesaurus in order to impress. Nothing of substance, hence fulfilling scripture Romans 1:21-22 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

I'm probably the last person you want to throw scriptures at.

There has to come a time where the reading stops and the writing begins. If you're not ready, all you can do is read. You'll drag a holy book around with you like Linus and his blanket, sharing it with all who can't run fast enough to get away. While it IS good news, it's somebody else's. You have to realize it yourself, not imitate the experiences of others.

I am ready. I don't carry anything around with me. I bring it out of me. And sometimes, it comes out in torrents.

The scriptures written about in books were written about people who had some degree of God realization themselves. Their teachings, should they offer any, are only valid as long as the master is alive.

Religion, is an attempt to keep a master's words alive after his passing. If there is no spiritual heir, the following then becomes like a satellite losing it's orbit. The master took the spiritual power with him, and without it, all religions begin to rot. They become empty ritual and prayer, having lost contact with the original host.

Jesus never intended you to become a Christian. He wanted you to become a Christ yourself.

If you haven't, you must continue reading.

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Og · 04-29-2008, 12:20 PM

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Jesus never intended you to become a Christian. He wanted you to become a Christ yourself.

If you haven't, you must continue reading.

I completely agree.

Abel · 04-29-2008, 12:34 PM

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Religion is based upon one's ability to see into the spiritual realms.

The less you can see, the more you need a seeing eye dog named religion. It provides a structure until you can build one of your own.

The more you can see, the less need for someone else's opinion of it. The religious and those who can actually see will always be at odds. Scripture is braille for the spiritually blind.

A spiritually mature person is one who has regained their sight.

They no longer need braille.

x

You speak of seeing into the spiritual realm. You are speaking of things you have no idea about. Spiritually, most people are blind as a bat. 2 Corinthians 4:4 "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." Satan blinds non-believers with philosophy, false religion, and anything they are willing to put in front of themselves.

Most folks are willfully blind. Light is presented to them, but they perfer to remain in darkness -- John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

True spiritual sight comes from Christ -- John 9:39 "And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind."

You cannot have spiritual sight until you first have spiritual life. John 3:6 -- "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." This spiritual life also comes from Christ -- Romans 8:10 "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." John 10:10 ... "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

All you offer is hollow words with a philosophical twist, taken from a dictionary or thesaurus in order to impress. Nothing of substance, hence fulfilling scripture Romans 1:21-22 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

I'm probably the last person you want to throw scriptures at.

There has to come a time where the reading stops and the writing begins. If you're not ready, all you can do is read. You'll drag a holy book around with you like Linus and his blanket, sharing it with all who can't run fast enough to get away. While it IS good news, it's somebody else's. You have to realize it yourself, not imitate the experiences of others.

I am ready. I don't carry anything around with me. I bring it out of me. And sometimes, it comes out in torrents.

The scriptures written about in books were written about people who had some degree of God realization themselves. Their teachings, should they offer any, are only valid as long as the master is alive.

Religion, is an attempt to keep a master's words alive after his passing. If there is no spiritual heir, the following then becomes like a satellite losing it's orbit. The master took the spiritual power with him, and without it, all religions begin to rot. They become empty ritual and prayer, having lost contact with the original host.

Jesus never intended you to become a Christian. He wanted you to become a Christ yourself.

If you haven't, you must continue reading.

x

Ok X, what exactly do you bring to the table? Again, all I see are meaningless words put together in a way to vault yourself into a superior position. Upon what do you base your authority? You accuse me of dragging my Bible, and you are correct. What authority do you drag around?

How can you speak for Jesus and what He intended, if you reject the only authentic writings that we have of Jesus? How do you know what Jesus actually intended? Where is it written that Jesus desires us to be Christs? Where is your proof text?

I am not pushing religion. Religion is a very dangerous thing. I am promoting a relationship with Jesus. You see, Jesus is alive. The Master does live!! He arose to live forever more. He lives in me and through me.

I will continue reading my Bible, and in the process continue to grow closer to my Lord. You keep speaking vain words in an attempt to impress folks.

shadowind · 04-29-2008, 02:24 PM

authority, is it not a hollow word?

Abel · 04-29-2008, 02:37 PM

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authority, is it not a hollow word?

For the majority, yes it is. That is why so many reject authority, and live as they see fit, regardless of the consequences. Once a society reject God's authority, it is not long before it will reject all authority.

Derbonic · 04-29-2008, 02:42 PM

Do you see how Religion encourages ignorance.

Studies show that "cold turkey" is exactly as effective at treating alchoholism as the religion based AAA , yet people of faith will still boldly shout otherwise.

People with religion have a HIGHER divorse rate than people without.

Violent crimes are also comited more often my people of a religious upbringing. Not just more people because there are more of them, but in scale.

There are Far Far less Atrocities being commited now in 2008 than there has ever been in history , yet our fiendly visiter here on this thread will state things are getting worse. The difference is they media and advances in communication let us all know about them.

If the bible is a perscription for pessimism , as our guest suggests , then indeed it encourages ignorance.

shadowind · 04-29-2008, 02:49 PM

the only "true" authoritys i see are thoses that simply is, gravity, natural forces ext. and myself. i am the authority that accepts all other authoritys beside natural ones and my own, then again natural ones rule over my own, making myown authority not all powerfull.

different people have different understandings, some say god is outside them, some say inside, some say god is them. your truth is not my truth, your authority is not mine, i have said no to it. for i have a different understanding that says to me what is truth to me.

take everything to the axioms, what are they?

xexon · 04-29-2008, 03:06 PM

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Religion is based upon one's ability to see into the spiritual realms.

The less you can see, the more you need a seeing eye dog named religion. It provides a structure until you can build one of your own.

The more you can see, the less need for someone else's opinion of it. The religious and those who can actually see will always be at odds. Scripture is braille for the spiritually blind.

A spiritually mature person is one who has regained their sight.

They no longer need braille.

x

You speak of seeing into the spiritual realm. You are speaking of things you have no idea about. Spiritually, most people are blind as a bat. 2 Corinthians 4:4 "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." Satan blinds non-believers with philosophy, false religion, and anything they are willing to put in front of themselves.

Most folks are willfully blind. Light is presented to them, but they perfer to remain in darkness -- John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

True spiritual sight comes from Christ -- John 9:39 "And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind."

You cannot have spiritual sight until you first have spiritual life. John 3:6 -- "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." This spiritual life also comes from Christ -- Romans 8:10 "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." John 10:10 ... "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

All you offer is hollow words with a philosophical twist, taken from a dictionary or thesaurus in order to impress. Nothing of substance, hence fulfilling scripture Romans 1:21-22 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

I'm probably the last person you want to throw scriptures at.

There has to come a time where the reading stops and the writing begins. If you're not ready, all you can do is read. You'll drag a holy book around with you like Linus and his blanket, sharing it with all who can't run fast enough to get away. While it IS good news, it's somebody else's. You have to realize it yourself, not imitate the experiences of others.

I am ready. I don't carry anything around with me. I bring it out of me. And sometimes, it comes out in torrents.

The scriptures written about in books were written about people who had some degree of God realization themselves. Their teachings, should they offer any, are only valid as long as the master is alive.

Religion, is an attempt to keep a master's words alive after his passing. If there is no spiritual heir, the following then becomes like a satellite losing it's orbit. The master took the spiritual power with him, and without it, all religions begin to rot. They become empty ritual and prayer, having lost contact with the original host.

Jesus never intended you to become a Christian. He wanted you to become a Christ yourself.

If you haven't, you must continue reading.

x

Ok X, what exactly do you bring to the table? Again, all I see are meaningless words put together in a way to vault yourself into a superior position. Upon what do you base your authority? You accuse me of dragging my Bible, and you are correct. What authority do you drag around?

How can you speak for Jesus and what He intended, if you reject the only authentic writings that we have of Jesus? How do you know what Jesus actually intended? Where is it written that Jesus desires us to be Christs? Where is your proof text?

I am not pushing religion. Religion is a very dangerous thing. I am promoting a relationship with Jesus. You see, Jesus is alive. The Master does live!! He arose to live forever more. He lives in me and through me.

I will continue reading my Bible, and in the process continue to grow closer to my Lord. You keep speaking vain words in an attempt to impress folks.

Amigo, the words are only meaningless because you can't identify with them just yet. But you will.

What I talk about is difficult to absorb if all you have is a scriptural understanding of things. Its a big step to move away from them because you've been taught that scriptures are living word of God.

They're not.

The living word of God can only be spoken by a living person who carries that holy flame within. It can never be written down. Once you do, you've killed it and stuffed it. It becomes static words on paper, and subject to endless interpretations by blind men.

I speak from personal revelation and experience. I will rarely quote a scripture other than to make a point. My authoritity comes from my ability to do what I do. Since I speak from my own being, this may be seen as egotistical ranting, but you must understand that this body only acts as translator. Sometimes imperfectly.

I have no problem speaking for Jesus. I understand the message with clarity. I understand it, despite the fact that his truths are buried under 2000 years of religious rubble. And I understand it without Christianity telling what is right or wrong about it. Those days are over. I can see it for myself.

Jesus was a yogi. A jewish yogi. And the message of the mystics is always the same. Only the time and places change.

Mystics don't want followers, they want to show you what they see. The only way to do that is to make you into a mystic too. There is no future as a follower. If you want to hang out with Jesus, you have to join the Christ club yourself. Desire will not make it so. Only when you have grown enough as a person does the membership door open.

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