How to stop religious growth in America - Page 2

Derbonic · 03-25-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jimdene

I have just watched for the third time one of my favorite movies. Kevin Spacey’s “The Usual Suspects”, in which Spacey plays mind games with the Authorities into making them believe what he wants them to believe.
No offence meant to subscribers of this forum, but, if most of your fellow Americans believe in Religion, then they will believe in anything. (1930’s Orson Wells over the radio during a broadcast of “The war of the worlds”, says “The Martians have landed”, and people actually take off to the hills.
As the General public are so ignorant of the meaning of Atheism and Agnosticism, “ I would hazard a guess that most would equate it with Anarchism and bomb throwing”, I would suggest that the terminology of both is detrimental in trying to change attitudes.
We are doing nothing by chatting and agreeing with each other over old Jewish mysticism etc in these forums.
I have an Idea. How about we email the rat bag, one eyed, Bush apologist O’Reilly of Fox fame and other Christian pests, and ask how much support is now given to the “Independent Freethinking Party of America” and their platform of allowing free thought on religion

The one thing that would be the most effective would be to help people to recognise that teaching children Faith's in Origin and Afterlife in the form of Truth's and Facts is dishonest and in my opinion Child Abuse.

kellid · 03-29-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jimdene

I have just watched for the third time one of my favorite movies. Kevin Spacey’s “The Usual Suspects”, in which Spacey plays mind games with the Authorities into making them believe what he wants them to believe.
No offence meant to subscribers of this forum, but, if most of your fellow Americans believe in Religion, then they will believe in anything. (1930’s Orson Wells over the radio during a broadcast of “The war of the worlds”, says “The Martians have landed”, and people actually take off to the hills.
As the General public are so ignorant of the meaning of Atheism and Agnosticism, “ I would hazard a guess that most would equate it with Anarchism and bomb throwing”, I would suggest that the terminology of both is detrimental in trying to change attitudes.
We are doing nothing by chatting and agreeing with each other over old Jewish mysticism etc in these forums.
I have an Idea. How about we email the rat bag, one eyed, Bush apologist O’Reilly of Fox fame and other Christian pests, and ask how much support is now given to the “Independent Freethinking Party of America” and their platform of allowing free thought on religion

The beauty of America is that we have freedom of religion. Don't knock it, you should embrace it and respect others right to their beliefs.

xxkayxx · 03-29-2008, 08:07 AM

Yes, but when that right is abused, and what comes to mind is the story of the little girl in another thread, i think it should very well be "knocked down",so to speak.

kellid · 03-29-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by xxkayxx

Yes, but when that right is abused, and what comes to mind is the story of the little girl in another thread, i think it should very well be "knocked down",so to speak.

Good point, in fact I had to educate myself on the first amendment and if you go to goggle and type in freedom of religion there are quite a few amendments to it in particular is amendment 14 not to mention several supreme court cases that have set a precedent so to speak on religious fanatics.

kellid · 03-29-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by xxkayxx

Yes, but when that right is abused, and what comes to mind is the story of the little girl in another thread, i think it should very well be "knocked down",so to speak.

I had to rethink this one because we also need to protect the integrity of the first amendment so when does a religious organization cross the line? is this where perhaps church and state or not so seperated?

xxkayxx · 03-29-2008, 05:23 PM

Yh, i guess you could look at it that way. Usually its the fundamentalists that take things too far in my opinion. Any instance when peoples lives are in danger,people are brainwashed into a belief, and people become prejudiced,are, for me, the biggest issues. It doesnt even have to be a religion for these things to happen though, any organized group can have these negative effects if the people dont take a step back to look at the big picture.

kellid · 03-29-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xxkayxx

Yh, i guess you could look at it that way. Usually its the fundamentalists that take things too far in my opinion. Any instance when peoples lives are in danger,people are brainwashed into a belief, and people become prejudiced,are, for me, the biggest issues. It doesnt even have to be a religion for these things to happen though, any organized group can have these negative effects if the people dont take a step back to look at the big picture.

I think there is almost a ying and yang kind of balance...Because we live in a country that has freedoms somehow we also are able to distinguish what is truly right from wrong (most of the time) Our founding fathers were brilliant men. I also truly believe we must for as citizens keep church and state seperate as much as possible.

xxkayxx · 03-29-2008, 06:32 PM

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Our founding fathers were brilliant men.

Well, thats one way to put it

kellid · 03-29-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xxkayxx

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Our founding fathers were brilliant men.

Well, thats one way to put it

LOL you don't agree?

xxkayxx · 03-29-2008, 07:04 PM

To a certain point i do, like I'd rather live here than in most countries. But to say they were "brilliant" i think is going overboard. Every country has its own problems, we're no different. Besides, after i watched zeitgeist, i don't really feel the way i used to about this country. It's not the 'founding fathers" that i have anything against, it's just what i perceive this place growing into, and it seems it won't be long before america will be going to hell in a handbasket. The fall of rome reminds me alot of the good ol' US of A.