Mortalsfool

Although Christ's rebirth remains in great dispute, the story has persisted for nearly 2000 years and is accepted as gospel by many, in spite of the fact, that there has been no evidence' to lend credibility. We are left to believe in something that is contrary to all the evidence witnessed.
With us being unable to see beyond our mortality, we are dependent on conclusions that are drawn from a scanty accounting by those that claimed to be witnesses, and here-say.' While Christ was still alive he gave us very brief witness of what he called the kingdom of Heaven' relating similes patterned after the traditions and experiences of the then present period. After Christ supposedly rose from the dead', very little additional material, if any, was disclosed with which we could hope to expand our understanding, or strengthen our beliefs in this hoped to be true' event.
There is another accounting of an event relative to Christ that has remained without satisfactory explanation, when it was said that Christ preached to the dead-after he died! This is indeed a very provocative statement about which no further clarification is offered. While this reference to the dead' is sometimes said to refer to fallen angelic spirits', there does not appear to be any evidence to support that definition; nor is there any reason to believe that these fallen spirits' were ever alive to start with. We are told that it was given to man to die and live again; and it is said that we' would derive a great benefit from deaths experience, with us being elevated to a state above the Angels. In conclusion, to assume that angelic' spirits were the dead', is a presumption that is not based on any scriptural account I am aware of. Such a claim of preaching to the dead demands consideration if you are one that accepts the Bible as gospel, and, if you believe that the dead will live again. It is the only clear reference to those that are dead, other than parable-like stories. Preaching to the dead' implies that the dead may have attributes in common with the living. In what state were these dead'? Could they hear what was preached to them? What good would preaching avail them? Did it advise, or clarify? Were they offered choices -as we are in this life- and could these choices' have contained merit similar to the value in the choices we make now? Did they have ears to hear with? Or should we reject the whole idea that Christ preached to the dead at all?

xexon

The "dead", are those who are still spiritually asleep. Worldly people.

To awaken is to turn inward, in pursuit of the divine self, and away from worldly attractions.

This also works for the "blind" to "see".



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Mortalsfool

When it is said that he preached to the dead, there is no reason to think that it referred to ‘those asleep’ in their faith. Theologians and different church commentaries are the one’s that suggest that it refers to ‘angelic spirits’. I think that all too often we assume that the Bible writers used words that needed to be interpreted. There is no reason to think that they didn’t mean dead, after all, it is supposed to have happened when Christ was dead, dead! We can’t think that meant Christ was ‘asleep in his faith’.

I'll have to try looking up the original words used.

shadowind

christ literaly dead, dead people as in spiritually asleep? guessing

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

xexon

When you are awake spiritually, there is no faith.

A "faith" is braille for the spiritually blind. They can't see but they can feel. And the ability to feel is what leads to the ability to see. Religion can teach discipline of mind, but the dogma is highly corrupted and unable to transmit the message in pure form.

The church bus might take you to heaven's gate, but that means nothing if you don't have a key to get in.

You have to earn the key. And you have to leave all belief behind you to do it. All those late night reads on religion and mysticism will do nothing for you if you don't cut them loose when they've served their purpose.

Until you do, you are of the world (made of clay), and this shall pass away. Your human identity, which you hold tightly like a teddybear, will die time and time again. This pain is self inflicted.

One must see cause and effect. Difficult with only 5 senses. So it pays to sharpen one's awareness so that death is like turning a page rather than a final ending.

Death through the eyes of religion will always make you sad.

They don't know how to turn the page.

Because they're dead.

Physical death claims all. Masters included. As a general rule, dead masters do not accept new disciples. New masters are born all the time. Only they are truly alive in this world of near death. And only they can transmit the divine spark that awakens with a touch.

Religion, by and large, lack such individuals. The religious are a product of a huge broken factory that turns out cheap imitations based on plans handed down from long ago.

They can build a perfect being, but have no spark to make it go.




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Mortalsfool

Isn't it presumed that Christ was dead for three days? I think that all of us are limited to 'guessing'.