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AB517 · 11-12-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Og

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1. Religion
Linking us to the human experience. A way of living that informs and guides the human experience from birth to death.

2. Faith
Often, a dirty word. Many people try to make it sound valuable, but in general, this term is a statement of ignorance. Faith as a virtue is a horrible idea. The stronger your belief inversely proportional to evidence is psychotic.. literally... It's the definition of insanity. There is only negative value to it and I pity the people who get taken in by this concept.

3. Beliefs/Believe
Crutches that inhibit spiritual growth and expansion. To quote Chris Rock from "Dogma"... It's better to have an "idea" than to have a belief. Beliefs are like warm blankets that people pull over themselves. It covers their eyes much of the time and they see the world THROUGH it's tainted perspective if they can see anything at all. Wake up and take off the blankets.

4. Pretend
Huh? Illusion?

5. Hope
Hope is one of two things. (1) A rational assessment of a situation which yields a high probability that a favorable outcome will occur. (2) Self delusion or ignorance that provides the idea that a favorable outcome will occur (has nothing to do with reason/reality).

6. Theist
A child who must cast the responsibility for their psyche into the hands of a father figure. This is OK when we are smaller and growing (and we need anchors and hand-rails). It is NOT ok when we grow up. At some point, we need to spread our own wings. A theist believes in a literal absurdity and generally has many beliefs and claims faith as a virtue. (see: insanity)

7. Atheist
An individual who holds the notion that the idea of an ultimate separate divine entity is an absurdity. They have spread their own wings and see their unity with existence and have awoken to maturity of mind and spirit.

8. Agnostic
The true path of an atheist. As an agnostic, you are synonymous with a scientist. You value reason and observation and evidence and you are always self observing to make sure that you are not following an errant path. It is a self correcting approach where doubt is cast upon all things in order to remain certain of their validity.

9. Deist
A theist who is a bit closer to maturity and awareness than most. They're willing to spread their wings to try to fly, but they like to keep one eye on the safety of their psychological nest.

10. Honesty
Telling the truth. Obiwan Kenobi: "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view"

wow

I am new and have been reading some of your post.
You think you are a straight talker so let me give it to you straight.
I mean no offence.

I do not know what happened to you but something did. It has been my experience that when people talk like you it is because of a Childhood trauma, alcohol, drugs, or mental illness.

I am ok with your beliefs but the way you attack ideas says that something aint right guy.

You must start there.

Good Luck
You will be in my thoughts.

In fact, I said that it was BETTER to have an "idea" than a belief. I was attacking ignorance only in my post.. If you feel threatened, then perhaps you should see just where you are deceiving yourself about your own ignorance.

Not only that, but then you went and attacked the individual delivering the argument instead of the argument. This is a classic sign of brainwashing.. textbook sign even..

enough said on this topic.
I will keep you in my heart and mind.

Geshtinnanna · 11-12-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Derbonic

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wow

I am new and have been reading some of your post.
You think you are a straight talker so let me give it to you straight.
I mean no offence.

I do not know what happened to you but something did. It has been my experience that when people talk like you it is because of a Childhood trauma, alcohol, drugs, or mental illness.

I am ok with your beliefs but the way you attack ideas says that something aint right guy.

You must start there.

Good Luck
You will be in my thoughts.

You critisize the answers of others but do not answer yourself? You have just reinforced Og's definitions as accurate.

I don't think so. I think he was giving his opinion. and oddly it seems accurate. Those opinions OG gave came across like a whole bunch of people picked on him as a kid.

romansh · 11-12-2007, 11:39 PM

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Religion - This is an organized set of beliefs that gives a code to live by. Usually fairly formally set down.

Faith - is to believe that something is true or will happen when it is not certain. You want it to be true.

Belief – something you understand to be true, you may not have total proof.

Pretend – To act as if something is true when you know it is not.

Hope – a feeling of optimism that some thing will happen or is true. Usually hope for the future.

Theist –believes in an organized religion with a supreme deity as its central belief..

Atheist –believes there is no God or Supreme Being.

Agnostic – does not know if there is a God and that it does not matter either way.

Deist – believes in a concept of God as all encompassing entity.

Honesty – When we strip away all pretence and know what we truly believe. It is very hard to be totally honest with ourselves.

greywolf90 · 11-13-2007, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Derbonic

This could be revealing.

In your own words, define the following words.

1. Religion

2. Faith

3. Beliefe/Believe

4. Pretend

5. Hope

6. Theist

7. Atheist

8. Agnostic

9. Deist

10. Honesty

This will be more fun if you dont read the other posts before answering.

religion-man's attempt to explain what cannot be explained.

faith- an optimistic belief in something to be true without needing proof.

belief- to accept as true.

pretend- to act like something is real when you know it isn't.

hope- belief in something that seems unlikely

theist- anyone who has a religion.

atheist- a religion that claims to not be a religion. believes there is no god/s

agnostic- believes that it is impossible to know the truth of religion.

deist- believes that a god exists but does not interfere.

honesty- to speak only the truth.

Og · 11-13-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Geshtinnanna

I don't think so. I think he was giving his opinion. and oddly it seems accurate. Those opinions OG gave came across like a whole bunch of people picked on him as a kid.

That's interesting. Could you elaborate? My definitions seem to be in step with many given by liberal religious folks, mythologists like joseph campbell, and atheist popular authors (scientists and journalists) such as Dawkins and Hitchens and skeptics like Carl Sagan (see "Demon Haunted World" - Science as a Candle in the Dark, by Sagan).

I thought they were empowering and that my comments addressed an often misunderstood stance. I think that "faith as a virtue" is a bizarre and problematic concept, but one that many people take as true. And this was the essence of what I was talking about.

Do we just label all people who feel this way about faith/belief as tormented kids because they're not in step with the fickle and manipulable mindset of the populous?

romansh · 11-13-2007, 11:23 AM

I'm really enjoying this thread.
I think expressing points of view and defence/explanation of a post are important, but (Ithink) they are detracting from Derbonic's original post.

is there any chance of moving the "discussion" to another thread?

thanks

Geshtinnanna · 11-14-2007, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by romansh

I'm really enjoying this thread.
I think expressing points of view and defence/explanation of a post are important, but (Ithink) they are detracting from Derbonic's original post.

is there any chance of moving the "discussion" to another thread?

thanks

Well what was the point of the thread if not to create a conversation?

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That's interesting. Could you elaborate?

Well I guess to be honest the answers just came off sounding like a very biased opinion on the other words that did not in any way define or relate to you. It sounded...bitter.

romansh · 11-14-2007, 01:53 AM

Should I start a thread on what we think Og's attributes and skills are?

Geshtinnanna · 11-14-2007, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by romansh

Should I start a thread on what we think Og's attributes and skills are?

No. Maybe a thread on what we think of the opinions we have.

AB517 · 11-14-2007, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Og

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I don't think so. I think he was giving his opinion. and oddly it seems accurate. Those opinions OG gave came across like a whole bunch of people picked on him as a kid.

That's interesting. Could you elaborate? My definitions seem to be in step with many given by liberal religious folks, mythologists like joseph campbell, and atheist popular authors (scientists and journalists) such as Dawkins and Hitchens and skeptics like Carl Sagan (see "Demon Haunted World" - Science as a Candle in the Dark, by Sagan).

I thought they were empowering and that my comments addressed an often misunderstood stance. I think that "faith as a virtue" is a bizarre and problematic concept, but one that many people take as true. And this was the essence of what I was talking about.

Do we just label all people who feel this way about faith/belief as tormented kids because they're not in step with the fickle and manipulable mindset of the populous?

Listen

Can we stop? I didn't mean this to go here.

Og, it is not your ideas. It is the negative adjectives you use all the time.
Just read your last sentence. It comes off negative.

I mean just read what you said:

1) I thought they were empowering and that my comments addressed an often misunderstood stance.

2) Do we just label all people who feel this way about faith/belief as tormented kids because they're not in step with the fickle and manipulable mindset of the populous

You are empowering and misunderstood and the rest of the world is fickle and manipulatable (how do we spell this?)?

Maybe just try and leave out negative sounding adjectives when talking about other peoples ideas. Also try and leave out the ego boosting ones out when describing yours.

Og
Again, it is not your ideas, it is how you state them.