Child abuse? - Page 6

AB517 · 02-21-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by greywolf90

i've been reserving my oppinion on this topic for awhile, but now i think i've reached my conclusion. as a former christian, i do not think teaching a religion to your kids can be considered abuse. however, i do think that in some cases, religion (specifically christianity; i cannot account for others) can be psycologically harmful. generally, those who have high self esteem (prehaps evan boardering on arrogance) will feel that god loves them and they are pure and perfect in gods eyes etc. the problem is with those who have low self esteem. i was one of these, and i went through phases where i sometimes hated myself because of my sins. i could only see my own imperfections, and occasionally i thought it to be impossible that god could love me when i had willingly disobeyed him. there were times when i felt that the only way to repent for my sins was by physically harming myself. i never cut myself or anything like that, but i do remember feeling strong urges to. now please remember that this was only a small phase of my life. overall, religion was very beneficial for me, and i still consider my self a spritual person; i just don't believe in the same things that i once did. but even though it was a phase, it could have been dangerous if i continued that type of thinking, and it might have even been fatal.

I agree with this also.

AB517 · 02-21-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by romansh

So is it OK to home school one's kids and teach them as literal fact that:
1) Mankind is only 4000 y old and wave off all the evidence to the contrary?
2) The earth was once completely flooded and wave off the evidence to the contrary?
3) Various miracles actually happened, including: ascending into heaven, water into wine, walking on water, healing by the laying of hands, feeding multitudes with a few fishes and loaves, parting the Red Sea, baby Jesus talking. Waving off our experience to the contrary?
4) A religious text is fact?

I'm glad my parents did not do that to me!

The Santa and tooth fairy abuse did eventually stop... my teeth eventually fell out and after awhile I was expected to provide presents for others.

WAIT JUST A MINUTE

Are you telling me that there is no SANNNTTTAAAA

That’s it … now yaz done it. Usez gone to fer now.

Derbonic · 02-21-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by greywolf90

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Originally Posted by romansh

So is it OK to home school one's kids and teach them as literal fact that:
1) Mankind is only 4000 y old and wave off all the evidence to the contrary?
2) The earth was once completely flooded and wave off the evidence to the contrary?
3) Various miracles actually happened, including: ascending into heaven, water into wine, walking on water, healing by the laying of hands, feeding multitudes with a few fishes and loaves, parting the Red Sea, baby Jesus talking. Waving off our experience to the contrary?
4) A religious text is fact?

I'm glad my parents did not do that to me!

The Santa and tooth fairy abuse did eventually stop... my teeth eventually fell out and after awhile I was expected to provide presents for others.

is it not ok to teach your kids what you believe to be the truth?

It is ok to teach your kids what you BELIEVE to be the truth.
I dont think its ok for you to teach youre kids that it IS the truth when you only believe it and dont know it.

greywolf90 · 02-21-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Derbonic

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Originally Posted by greywolf90

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Originally Posted by romansh

So is it OK to home school one's kids and teach them as literal fact that:
1) Mankind is only 4000 y old and wave off all the evidence to the contrary?
2) The earth was once completely flooded and wave off the evidence to the contrary?
3) Various miracles actually happened, including: ascending into heaven, water into wine, walking on water, healing by the laying of hands, feeding multitudes with a few fishes and loaves, parting the Red Sea, baby Jesus talking. Waving off our experience to the contrary?
4) A religious text is fact?

I'm glad my parents did not do that to me!

The Santa and tooth fairy abuse did eventually stop... my teeth eventually fell out and after awhile I was expected to provide presents for others.

is it not ok to teach your kids what you believe to be the truth?

It is ok to teach your kids what you BELIEVE to be the truth.
I dont think its ok for you to teach youre kids that it IS the truth when you only believe it and dont know it.

as agnostics, that would be our oppinion, but for a theist, isn't the purpose of having faith that they do not have any doubts that what they believe is the truth? so in their minds, they "know" there is a god, they "know" the bible/koran/torah is the word of god, etc. in fact for many, this is all simple obvious truth.

on a somewhat related topic to romansh's points on homeschooling their kids, i think i would consider it wrong if they did teach them things that go against what science does know, such as evolution being false. i have been following a few evolution/creationist debates and visited a few websites for both sides. i don't mind if someone chooses to believe in an ID, but i do mind when they try getting others to agree with them by lies. these are some of the things i've seen stated on creationist sites: "scientists have disproven evolution" "we have proven natural selection is false" "their are no transitional links in the fossil record" (in the debates, i've seen many evolutionists happily provide examples of transitional links, yet the creationists continue to bring up this argument) "the transitional links discovered have all been proven false"... it just goes on and on. anyways, i apologize if this seems off topic, but it was just something i felt like posting, and i think it is relative to our discussion.

Derbonic · 03-25-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by greywolf90

as agnostics, that would be our oppinion, but for a theist...

So the difference is that agnostics have developed greater skill in identifying oppinion over knowlege.?.

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these are some of the things i've seen stated on creationist sites: "scientists have disproven evolution" "we have proven natural selection is false" "their are no transitional links in the fossil record" ...

Doesnt this drive you crazy?

xxkayxx · 03-25-2008, 04:34 PM

If teaching your children what you believe in to be the truth is actually abuse, would just not mentioning your religous beliefs to them until they reach a certain age where they can choose for themselseves be the answer? Thats what my parentts did, and i think it was a good idea.Of course, this wouldnt actualy work if you were set on bringing them to church. I guess you have to put yourself in their shoes, and realize what they believe in, they probably believe in 100%, otherwise they wouldnt be doing whatever they're doing ( going to church, praying daily, whatever). Because of that, i can hardly consider it abuse, of course the parents are going to teach their children what they believe in. I'd have to agree on what some of you said though about teaching alternatives. I have to say though, if i ever have any kids, im not going to say to them, well, what i believe in may not be the best, because otheres are dead set on there being a god and so forth. Since being an agnostic is what I view as being the best choice compared to religions and atheism, i would naturally want my child to believe in the same. Seems kind of hypocritical to me. Call it abuse, i could care less.

Sorrry for bouncing around from one thing to another, i just can't seem to choose what would be the best. I guess in the end it depends on alot of factors. Some parents take their beliefs and teaching their children whatever that is a little too far, which in some cases would be abuse in my opinion. I might be letting my hate of christians (sorry) interfere w/ my opinion though

Astreja · 03-26-2008, 01:25 AM

I think it's possible to teach kids your values without exposing them to frightening mythologies or professional clergy who get off on emotionally manipulating the congregation. No good reason for any young kid to be taken to a house of worship for the purpose of indoctrination, regardless of the belief system.

kellid · 03-29-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Derbonic

Is teaching Faith in the form of Fact or Truth to children child abuse?

Ask me and I will elaborate.

Watch the documentary "Jesus Camp" and you will get your answer. It's a scary show.

kellid · 03-29-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by greywolf90

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Originally Posted by romansh

So is it OK to home school one's kids and teach them as literal fact that:
1) Mankind is only 4000 y old and wave off all the evidence to the contrary?
2) The earth was once completely flooded and wave off the evidence to the contrary?
3) Various miracles actually happened, including: ascending into heaven, water into wine, walking on water, healing by the laying of hands, feeding multitudes with a few fishes and loaves, parting the Red Sea, baby Jesus talking. Waving off our experience to the contrary?
4) A religious text is fact?

I'm glad my parents did not do that to me!

The Santa and tooth fairy abuse did eventually stop... my teeth eventually fell out and after awhile I was expected to provide presents for others.

WAIT JUST A MINUTE

Are you telling me that there is no SANNNTTTAAAA

That’s it … now yaz done it. Usez gone to fer now.

hey there is a Samta Clause!!!