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Old 02-18-2008, 10:47 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:26 AM   #32 (permalink)
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A few of you have twisted my question a little.

You seem to think I meant that Teaching Children to have Faith in a Religion is child abuse. I was not.

What I mean by the question is: Is Teaching your Faith in a religion to children in the form of Facts and Truth child abuse?

Example: Singing a song that repeats " God loves me this I Know.", or "Jusus loves me this I know". Or anytime you share you religious faith with your child as facts and not a personal beliefe they may want to share.
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Old 02-19-2008, 08:06 AM   #33 (permalink)
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A few of you have twisted my question a little.

You seem to think I meant that Teaching Children to have Faith in a Religion is child abuse. I was not.

What I mean by the question is: Is Teaching your Faith in a religion to children in the form of Facts and Truth child abuse?

Example: Singing a song that repeats " God loves me this I Know.", or "Jusus loves me this I know". Or anytime you share you religious faith with your child as facts and not a personal beliefe they may want to share.
Most people of faith teach their version of religion as fact. If I understand what you are implying, to me, to have faith means that you believe it is fact, but maybe I'm wrong? Maybe it is a matter of degrees and how intense that person feels their faith is the one?
The people I have met and discussed religion with either buy into it whole heartedly or they are just taking out an insurance policy, if the later they still believe at least part of it, though.

To have faith you have to at least buy into part of it, right? If you say this is what I believe, but I'm not sure how much of it is true do you still have faith?
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Old 02-19-2008, 11:59 AM   #34 (permalink)
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A few of you have twisted my question a little.

You seem to think I meant that Teaching Children to have Faith in a Religion is child abuse. I was not.

What I mean by the question is: Is Teaching your Faith in a religion to children in the form of Facts and Truth child abuse?

Example: Singing a song that repeats " God loves me this I Know.", or "Jusus loves me this I know". Or anytime you share you religious faith with your child as facts and not a personal beliefe they may want to share.
Most people of faith teach their version of religion as fact. If I understand what you are implying, to me, to have faith means that you believe it is fact, but maybe I'm wrong? Maybe it is a matter of degrees and how intense that person feels their faith is the one?
The people I have met and discussed religion with either buy into it whole heartedly or they are just taking out an insurance policy, if the later they still believe at least part of it, though.

To have faith you have to at least buy into part of it, right? If you say this is what I believe, but I'm not sure how much of it is true do you still have faith?
Thats what Faith is. Belief wothout proof. Should'nt religion be taught in accordance.

Certainly faith can only exist if your not sure. I guess my assumption is that many many many people pretend to know what they happen to believe. I have strong faith that I am right about that.
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Old 02-19-2008, 11:34 PM   #35 (permalink)
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A few of you have twisted my question a little.

You seem to think I meant that Teaching Children to have Faith in a Religion is child abuse. I was not.

What I mean by the question is: Is Teaching your Faith in a religion to children in the form of Facts and Truth child abuse?

Example: Singing a song that repeats " God loves me this I Know.", or "Jusus loves me this I know". Or anytime you share you religious faith with your child as facts and not a personal beliefe they may want to share.
Ok. I see what you mean. Well with your example..it's not the worst thing on earth to know your God loves you. We tell our kids lots of things we think as fact but are just opinion. We are humans and not computers.
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A few of you have twisted my question a little.

You seem to think I meant that Teaching Children to have Faith in a Religion is child abuse. I was not.

What I mean by the question is: Is Teaching your Faith in a religion to children in the form of Facts and Truth child abuse?

Example: Singing a song that repeats " God loves me this I Know.", or "Jusus loves me this I know". Or anytime you share you religious faith with your child as facts and not a personal beliefe they may want to share.
lmao.

This is not child abuse.
Could you pick something better ... like creation?

There are many psychological benefits to teaching someone this type of thinking.
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A few of you have twisted my question a little.

You seem to think I meant that Teaching Children to have Faith in a Religion is child abuse. I was not.

What I mean by the question is: Is Teaching your Faith in a religion to children in the form of Facts and Truth child abuse?

Example: Singing a song that repeats " God loves me this I Know.", or "Jusus loves me this I know". Or anytime you share you religious faith with your child as facts and not a personal beliefe they may want to share.
lmao.

This is not child abuse.
Could you pick something better ... like creation?

There are many psychological benefits to teaching someone this type of thinking.
Laugh it up fuzz ball.

It is teaching your child that dishonesty is OK. Yes that song that people sing does not seem threatening , but you dont seem to understand the concept of an Example.

Funny you should mention Creation. Are you aware that the scientific theory of evolution has nothing to say about Origin. Telling your child "GOD made the heavens and the earth." is dishonest. Telling them " I have faith in a book that explaines that GOD made the heavens and the earth." is honest.
If thats to many words for you I will label you someone who is to lazy to move there finger and use a turn signal.

If you are concerned about " psychological benefits " of certain "way's" of teaching your child , and your concidering that dishonesty may be beneficial, you may want to rethink that.
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A few of you have twisted my question a little.

You seem to think I meant that Teaching Children to have Faith in a Religion is child abuse. I was not.

What I mean by the question is: Is Teaching your Faith in a religion to children in the form of Facts and Truth child abuse?

Example: Singing a song that repeats " God loves me this I Know.", or "Jusus loves me this I know". Or anytime you share you religious faith with your child as facts and not a personal beliefe they may want to share.
lmao.

This is not child abuse.
Could you pick something better ... like creation?

There are many psychological benefits to teaching someone this type of thinking.
Laugh it up fuzz ball.

It is teaching your child that dishonesty is OK. Yes that song that people sing does not seem threatening , but you dont seem to understand the concept of an Example.

Funny you should mention Creation. Are you aware that the scientific theory of evolution has nothing to say about Origin. Telling your child "GOD made the heavens and the earth." is dishonest. Telling them " I have faith in a book that explaines that GOD made the heavens and the earth." is honest.
If thats to many words for you I will label you someone who is to lazy to move there finger and use a turn signal.

If you are concerned about " psychological benefits " of certain "way's" of teaching your child , and your concidering that dishonesty may be beneficial, you may want to rethink that.
Ball ... Fuzz Ball ... hairy ... not shaven .... Just the way I like it.

You are still wrong.
It is not child abuse.

Teaching your child to be polite and respectful at the expense of honesty at times in ones life is totally acceptable.
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Honestly I think your right about that. I just dont think that anything as Heavy as religion fits into that catagory.

Telling the little girl with burns on her face that she is pretty can be a nice thing to do.

Not telling children about nuclear bombs , murders , how to have sex , can also be at the least a polite thing to do.

Telling a child that there is an ivisible man(or woman or whatever) waching them , listening to them , judging them is beneficial over what? Please tell me how this is better than being honest.
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Honestly I think your right about that. I just dont think that anything as Heavy as religion fits into that catagory.

Telling the little girl with burns on her face that she is pretty can be a nice thing to do.

Not telling children about nuclear bombs , murders , how to have sex , can also be at the least a polite thing to do.

Telling a child that there is an ivisible man(or woman or whatever) waching them , listening to them , judging them is beneficial over what? Please tell me how this is better than being honest.
I am just a middle of the road guy I guess.

Telling a child that there is someone always there for them and loves them mite not be so bad. If it helps them then great, if not, no big deal.

Comforting a family member that need to believe that their dad or mum is still with them is ok in my book if it helps them trough the struggles in life. Just the statement “God please help me through this”, weather it is true or not, is ok if it helps one to gather the strength to go on.

However, I will not pretend that religion has been misused. That can be said about any man made idea or group.
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