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11-04-2007, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by duck  Since the OP's use of the English language is..., well....., somewhat stilted and wanting, I am afraid that I cannot give clarified answers and comments here without my one huge prejudice coming to the fore front.
I wish him well. I also wish for his God to bestow better language skills upon him. | Sorry Duck .... what's OP?
I think glovesu is Spanish speaking?
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11-05-2007, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou | Hi godlovesyou ..... Thank you for the website .... it was comprehensive, but it did not tell me what were your reasons for believing in god (specifically a Christian creation god). When you asked me why I was an agnostic I did not point you to a website?
Secondly.... I believe if you are to be successful in preaching the word of Christ, you will have to do as Jesus did ...... teach using parables..... even 2000 years ago the scriptures were not reaching the people of the times; consequently, Christ taught us with parables. So to teach us today, you will have to enter our world and use the todays parables of reason? Otherwise you may aswell be posting leaflets on lamp-posts.
all the best | faith is a thing, probably impossible to explain. i cannot tell you why i have such a certainty of my faith. I guess only someone that actually embarked in the same journey, can understand it. Faith comes as a result of someone preaching to us, or reading the bible. We hear the message, and respond positively with faith. Of course, we do not want to believe in a unreal God, in a God that is mythology. We want to believe in the living God, that made heaven and earth. Since i converted, my faith has only grown. For many reasons. One of them, because i studied the bible, read books. Second, because along the way i met inumerous people, which experienced God in many ways, some saw miracles happen in their lives. Then because of the holy spirit, which god gives to his children, which testifies to us. So : if you want to find God thru reason, you wont find him. God asks us to believe in him first, to search for him, and them he can start to work in your life. | 
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11-05-2007, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou if you want to find God thru reason, you wont find him. | Thanks godlovesyou .... this part of your answer I think is very true.
But if you truly want to spread the word of Christ then you will have to do what Jesus did and teach in the parables of the day. Today's parables have to be in the language of reason.
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11-05-2007, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou hi all
my name is angelo. i am a born again evangelical christian. i would like to share
my belief with who ever wants to know better the christian faith. i am not here to try to convert anyone , because, this is a personal decision, but to explain issues, that many of you might have pre judgement and not a comprehensive knowledge. I intend to respect anyone's convictions here, and expect the same of you.
So let me make my first question. Why are you agnostic, depite all informations we have access today, to get answers and give the ability to come to a own faith , even if it is atheist faith ? | What is your stance on Sin? Is evil necessary to appreciate God? I know Christian's have varying opinions on the issue, but I don't recall hearing one from a self-described "evangelical."
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11-05-2007, 09:15 PM
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I ask you kindly do not put words into our mouths. You will not like my response. I have been very respectful of your words religion here. I ask you do the same.
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| i believe in your honesty of your claim. however, i have to tell you that my assertion is based on a seminary, which i did with a ex satanist of a world wide organisation. he gave deep insights about what was going on , where he did participate. from his perspective, the satanic bible is only a superficial propaganda book. what really happens, happens behind the scenes, and new adherents wont know very soon the truth, only, who gets higher positions. | I understand you are speaking from your one experience with one so called Satanist. I, on the other hand am speaking as a member of a coven with numerous Satanists. I have been part of the Satanic faith going on 21 years. In plain speak my experience trumps yours 
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11-05-2007, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou i am a regular evangelical christian. i take the command of our lord serious, and tell others with great joy the blessing i have recieved, becoming a christian, and believing in the gospel. please don't accuse me to try to convert someone. that's not my goal. each one has to convert by its own. this decision process is personal, i do not have anything to do with it, and i do not intend to force someone to do it. | yes, fine, I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, but you still didn't answer my question.
Why are you an evangelical Christian and not a regular baptist or catholic? | |
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11-06-2007, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou if you want to find God thru reason, you wont find him. | Thanks godlovesyou .... this part of your answer I think is very true.
But if you truly want to spread the word of Christ then you will have to do what Jesus did and teach in the parables of the day. Today's parables have to be in the langauge of reason.
all the best | romansh, thank you very much, well said.
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou hi all
my name is angelo. i am a born again evangelical christian. i would like to share
my belief with who ever wants to know better the christian faith. i am not here to try to convert anyone , because, this is a personal decision, but to explain issues, that many of you might have pre judgement and not a comprehensive knowledge. I intend to respect anyone's convictions here, and expect the same of you.
So let me make my first question. Why are you agnostic, depite all informations we have access today, to get answers and give the ability to come to a own faith , even if it is atheist faith ? | What is your stance on Sin? Is evil necessary to appreciate God? I know Christian's have varying opinions on the issue, but I don't recall hearing one from a self-described "evangelical." | sin, as defined in the original translations of the Bible, means "to miss the mark." The mark is the standard of perfection established by God and evidenced by Jesus
there are two kind of evil. natural desasters, and from men provoked evil, like murder etc. its also a quest, why god permits so much evil. God could not eliminate evil without at the same time rendering it impossible to accomplish other goals which are important to Him.Love is only possible , when a free will exist. So we must be able to decide, to willingly love God, ore ignore him.
We do not understand necessarly all things, that god does. so it is also with evil. when bad things and evil happens, we are able also to apprechiate more good things. | |
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11-06-2007, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou Quote:
I ask you kindly do not put words into our mouths. You will not like my response. I have been very respectful of your words religion here. I ask you do the same.
Thank you
| i believe in your honesty of your claim. however, i have to tell you that my assertion is based on a seminary, which i did with a ex satanist of a world wide organisation. he gave deep insights about what was going on , where he did participate. from his perspective, the satanic bible is only a superficial propaganda book. what really happens, happens behind the scenes, and new adherents wont know very soon the truth, only, who gets higher positions. | I understand you are speaking from your one experience with one so called Satanist. I, on the other hand am speaking as a member of a coven with numerous Satanists. I have been part of the Satanic faith going on 21 years. In plain speak my experience trumps yours | i guess you agree there are different groups of so called satanists. there are a majority, which i guess you belong, that does not believe in the existence of satan, and there is a theistic vertent, that believes in the real existence of satan. the guy i visit his seminary was making part of a group, belonging to the second part. do you not make rituals , and expect that true these rituals certain objectives are achieved ? if so, where do you think these forces come from ? | |
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou i am a regular evangelical christian. i take the command of our lord serious, and tell others with great joy the blessing i have recieved, becoming a christian, and believing in the gospel. please don't accuse me to try to convert someone. that's not my goal. each one has to convert by its own. this decision process is personal, i do not have anything to do with it, and i do not intend to force someone to do it. | yes, fine, I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, but you still didn't answer my question.
Why are you an evangelical Christian and not a regular baptist or catholic? | catholic doctrine is VERY different than protestant or evangelical. baptist belongs to the protestant / evangelical part. there is a big split between protestant derivated evangelical church, and catholic church. i was a catholic for over 15 years. since their doctrine accepts human tradition, i do not believe, their practice of faith is the right one. i converted and accepted jesus with 18 as my personal savior and lord. it is not so important, to which evangelical church to belong. but , if the doctrine preached, is exclusively based on the bible. i converted, because i put my trust and faith in the bible, and jesus christ. and , i have been highly rewarded with a blessed life. the biggest blessing, is to know and understand god every day more. | |
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