i am a born again, evangelical christian - Page 6

godlovesyou · 11-04-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Geshtinnanna

Hi and welcome to the forums. Please ignore some of our rude members. Unfortunately their experiences with other Christians have been bad ones. I always like to put that prejudice aside until shown otherwise. So welcome to the boards.
BTW I am a Satanist. Doesn't that beat all?!

i was wondering if you could explain satanism to me. it's probably because of my christian past, but I think of satanists as "lets rebel against society by doing stuff they dont want us to do" (i hope you prove me wrong in this). i was also wondering why you chose satanism. my main question is if the existance of god cannot be proven, why believe that satan exists?

p.s. i agree that this should be a forum without prejudice or intolerance of other beliefs.

p.p.s. i'd like to apoligize again for my posts on suicide. i didn't try to understand the person who commits suicide. i only thought about the act itself.

if you want to know more about satanism, do a search on google. the answers you will get, will be much more comprehensive, than i might be able to give. we believe in the existence of satan first of all, because jesus teached us abouth him. second, because we can observe this world, and see that spirits in fact exist, and can possess people. this is a prooven phenomenon, not just a blind believe. satan church is a other evidence. satanists do not just loose their time. they take their faith very seriously. don't fool about their propaganda, when they say, they don't believe in satan. it's not true.

godlovesyou · 11-04-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wuzupbling22

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hi all

my name is angelo. i am a born again evangelical christian. i would like to share
my belief with who ever wants to know better the christian faith. i am not here to try to convert anyone , because, this is a personal decision, but to explain issues, that many of you might have pre judgement and not a comprehensive knowledge. I intend to respect anyone's convictions here, and expect the same of you.

So let me make my first question. Why are you agnostic, depite all informations we have access today, to get answers and give the ability to come to a own faith , even if it is atheist faith ?

Didn't you also invade The Church of Google forum?

don't know anything about that.

godlovesyou · 11-04-2007, 02:27 PM

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i am not here to try to convince anyone here. read my first post.

god cannot be proven, but the evidence is here. how do you think live, and the universe, came to be ?

hi godlovesyou

Is this true? In your heart of hearts? Every true Christian is required to spread the word? And if we do not take the word into our hearts then that Christian has been unsuccessful. I do not blame you for trying to spread the word .... I actually expect you to try.

OK god created the world! Why is it a Christian God? A logical/rational answer please?

all the best

we tell others about christ, because it is the best that ever happened to us.

to give you a compreehensive answer, why i believe in the christian god, i might link you to following site :

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

godlovesyou · 11-04-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skepticologist

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god cannot be proven, but the evidence is here. how do you think live, and the universe, came to be ?

Some other way, and certainly not the way the bible says it did. There's simply too much scientific evidence to even start believing that.

I thought you'd give us all some examples of how god and jesus work in your life. That's the kind of "evidence" most of the evangelical christians I know offer for their beliefs, and I'm convinced they honestly think there's a cause-and-effect dynamic in operation.

One thing all religious adherents have in common is the "leap of faith". It's a "leap" because a person has to suspend reason and logic in order to make it. And reason and logic don't work in the religious realm because there is no empirical evidence for the existence of god.

After a person has made the "leap" and embraced a certain religious system, there's no end to the reinforcement for his or her belief that's possible. As an example, christians are taught by the bible that god doesn't always give them what they ask for when they pray. But they can count on whatever comes about as the result of their prayers as being what their all-wise and loving god has deemed best for them. So whatever happens after they pray proves to them that god has answered their prayers.

I suppose you think the intestinal fortitude you've displayed in laying out your religious beliefs on this forum will earn you a couple of stars in your crown. But, with regard to those of us who are true agnostics, you're wasting your time. I don't think a meaningful discourse is possible between someone who operates based on reason and logic and someone who operates on faith.

while our faith is not unreasonable, in fact, just by reason, someone will not find the way to get a christian. it needs the will to embrace a faith, which in first instance seems irracional. but when a christian starts to live his faith, god gives a certainty in his heart, that noone can take away. only who tries it out, knows what i mean. and god does wonders still today, and we, children of god, have the priviledge, to see God acting in our lives.

Geshtinnanna · 11-04-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by godlovesyou

if you want to know more about satanism, do a search on google. the answers you will get, will be much more comprehensive, than i might be able to give. we believe in the existence of satan first of all, because jesus teached us abouth him. second, because we can observe this world, and see that spirits in fact exist, and can possess people. this is a prooven phenomenon, not just a blind believe. satan church is a other evidence. satanists do not just loose their time. they take their faith very seriously. don't fool about their propaganda, when they say, they don't believe in satan. it's not true.

Actually I suggest you do what you did, ask a Satanist. Googling can get you confused with opposing opinions. If you want to know about Christianity, you ask a Christian since it's their faith. If you want to know about Satanism (without incorrect or biased information) you ask a Satanist. Godlovesyou , I respectfully would advise you not to give information about Satanism if you are not a Satanist. You have only limited knowledge of what we are since you aren't a Satanist. You wouldn't like me giving inaccurate information about Christianity now would you? You would probably do what I did, and ask that you be allowed to give that information out out of respect.

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don't fool about their propaganda, when they say, they don't believe in satan. it's not true.

I ask you kindly do not put words into our mouths. You will not like my response. I have been very respectful of your words religion here. I ask you do the same.
Thank you

romansh · 11-04-2007, 04:10 PM

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Mark Ludwig in his book "Computer Viruses, Artificial Life and Evolution" states:

E. Coli is one of the simplest living organisms. As of today the only thing simpler is a virus and they need the inside of a cell to live. E. Coli has a DNA molecule which is about 4,000,000 nucleotides long. Each of these four million sites is occupied by one of four different nucleotides. So, the probability of creating it at random from the right bases is 1 in 44,000,000 = 1 in 103,000,000. Putting every atom in the universe to work synthesizing molecules wouldn't even put a dent in this number. Evolutionists suggest with the redundancy of the genetic code we could shrink this number down to 102,300,000. After this the number may be able to be shrunk more but most scientists believe that the number would also get much bigger as we begin to factor in different types of chemical bonds and isomers of the nucleic acids, all of which must be in just the right order for the molecules to work as they are supposed to.

Careful godlovesyou you are now in the realm of reason and logic; you may find it captivating?

There are a whole hosts of websites debunking ID and evolution probability. So we won't go there. Infact the probability calculations are way beyond my capability (and yours?). But my (very) simplified understanding of the positions are:

the IDist says to throw a double six (create a particular bacteria or life form) the chances are 1 in 36. We only have say six throws (limited life of the universe and finite number of atoms). So the chances of making this particular form of life are only 16%...... not worth betting on; God must have done it.

Whereas the evolutionist says well it can be any life form (any double) and the same six throws the odds go up to 67%. The evolutionist will go further and say we don't actually have to throw cubes we can throw tetrahedrons (the simplest life forms that must have been the very first) and the chances go up to 82%. So in reality we don't need god (be against the odds) to throw a double.

godlovesyou · 11-04-2007, 09:26 PM

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I ask you kindly do not put words into our mouths. You will not like my response. I have been very respectful of your words religion here. I ask you do the same.
Thank you

i believe in your honesty of your claim. however, i have to tell you that my assertion is based on a seminary, which i did with a ex satanist of a world wide organisation. he gave deep insights about what was going on , where he did participate. from his perspective, the satanic bible is only a superficial propaganda book. what really happens, happens behind the scenes, and new adherents wont know very soon the truth, only, who gets higher positions.

Astreja · 11-04-2007, 10:08 PM

godlovesyou, how do you know the person at the seminary was actually a satanist? People have been known to lie about such things.

Since Geshtinnana is here and your source is not, I respectfully suggest that you refrain from redefining her beliefs.

romansh · 11-04-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by godlovesyou

we tell others about christ, because it is the best that ever happened to us.

to give you a compreehensive answer, why i believe in the christian god, i might link you to following site :

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

Hi godlovesyou ..... Thank you for the website .... it was comprehensive, but it did not tell me what were your reasons for believing in god (specifically a Christian creation god). When you asked me why I was an agnostic I did not point you to a website?

Secondly.... I believe if you are to be successful in preaching the word of Christ, you will have to do as Jesus did ...... teach using parables..... even 2000 years ago the scriptures were not reaching the people of the times; consequently, Christ taught us with parables. So to teach us today, you will have to enter our world and use the todays parables of reason? Otherwise you may aswell be posting leaflets on lamp-posts.

all the best

duck · 11-04-2007, 10:50 PM

Since the OP's use of the English language is..., well....., somewhat stilted and wanting, I am afraid that I cannot give clarified answers and comments here without my one huge prejudice coming to the fore front.

I wish him well. I also wish for his God to bestow better language skills upon him.