WilliamBlue

So you agree that your god created humans that he knew were going to sin and then punished them even though he knew that it was going to happen? So he created us to punish us, how much sense does that make? With that in mind, he also sends you to hell for eternity, even if you never ever get a chance to know that there is a Christian god? Is that enough punishment or should we add some more? Oh yeah, all the pain, suffering and death in the world. Don't even mention the devil, if your god was as all powerful as you say he is, he would of got rid of that little bothersome arch-angel long ago since he created him also.

And all that sounds like a great deal to you?!

If this is your god, I have to say that no, he shouldn't of created this planet.

I think you need to pick a better fairy-tale, maybe snow white and the seven dwarfs... I also have some prime water front property here in Florida that I would like to sell you, really.

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Skepticologist

Religion . . . ALL religion . . . is a fairy tale. There are many myths that have been developed that are much more cogent and meaningful, and that don't require adherents to accept them as literal truth. The fact that billions of people have simply illustrates the gullibility of a lot of people who are seeking something supernatural. It doesn't make ridiculous systems that are shot through with inconsistencies and contradictions any more true.

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WilliamBlue

And now I bet he is going to feel sorry for me, any takers?

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Geshtinnanna

If he feels sorry for you and has empathy, he will be accused of being condescending.
And if he decided to not be and stand his ground he's considered a narrow minded Christan.

So he doesn't win either way and all this hostility just makes you look like you are three and some big kid stole your binky.

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WilliamBlue

Lol, actually I feel sorry for him, anyone who buys into this stuff as whole heartily as born-again christians do, deserve our sympathy, if he stand up then I will respect at least his character even with the flaw, although I do not see how he can refute the logic.
I have family that are born again and are the most obnoxious people I have ever met and I am not talking about just being around them as they are many miles away, so yes I am a little hostile. Being born-again to me is the definition of being narrow minded. Most only believe in Love thy neighbor if that neighbor is not "living in sin" with their definition of sin being the one that counts. All they do is judge people and preach and yes I did lump him in with all the other born-again people I have met, so far I do not think I've made a mistake.
The fact that they refuse to see how illogical the whole thing is erks me to some degree and maybe they might think about it, if not now, sometime in the future.

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girlinterrupted364

this is exactly what i think of every time someone reminds me to repent of my sins. christians are betting their very souls on their personal religion. well guess what? so are buddhists and muslims and every other religion out there. so stop acting like its not possible for any other religion to be correct because honestly, none of them can be proven. you can believe with all your heart that your religion is true. but you cant PROVE it. so stop trying to convince people

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Astreja

I disagree. For one thing, we have no credible evidence that it was "created" by a sentient being. Also consider, please, that if there actually is a creating being it could be completely unlike the god described in your Bible.
This is not yet established as a fact. What *is* life, after all? We might be no more than complex flesh robots, our sentience and consciousness merely the aggregate of electrical patterns traversing our complex neural networks.

In biochemistry, it has already been established that self-replicating molecules exist. As science continues to explore abiogenesis, I am confident that each year will bring us more and more accurate answers regarding the origin of life.

For the record, I am an agnostic Norse pagan and non-theist Buddhist with a strong interest in science. Regarding the god(s) of the Bible, I am atheistic, about 6/7 on the Dawkins scale: "I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."

romansh

I think we need to be fair to Christianity and other religions. The problem is not so much with the "fairy tale" as the people who interpret it and implement it! For example if we could just live by the last eight or nine commandments .... might be a bit boring; but it would not that bad? If we don't recognize and accept the positives in a religion, how can we argue accurately against it? If we expect to win over somebody like 'godlovesyou' are we going to do it by looking down on this person and religion? Do we want theists who come to this forum to see the light?

So which would you prefer...understanding and reason ...or a baseball bat?
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don't expect logic from the born again

all the best

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WilliamBlue

I have no problem with people who choose to live by whatever commandments, but when they start trying to force all those commandments on others then I have a big issue. Take for instance the availability of free condoms in Africa to prevent the spread of AIDS, the born again and the Catholics have decided that this is a no-no, so AIDS continues to spread and people suffer for no good reason. So don't tell me these people are harmless because they aren't. There are other examples.

They are not coming here to see the light, they are here to preach and condemn us for not seeing it their way. Sometimes a baseball bat looks awful tempting. I never expect anything close to logic from B/A people, but I can always hope.

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El_Mariachi64

okay, so plenty of people have answered why they cannot believe as you do.

But let me ask you, why are you born again christian?

More specifically, why aren't you a regular baptist, catholic or calvinist?