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04-14-2008, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou  hi all
my name is angelo. i am a born again evangelical christian. i would like to share
my belief with who ever wants to know better the christian faith. i am not here to try to convert anyone , because, this is a personal decision, but to explain issues, that many of you might have pre judgement and not a comprehensive knowledge. I intend to respect anyone's convictions here, and expect the same of you.
So let me make my first question. Why are you agnostic, depite all informations we have access today, to get answers and give the ability to come to a own faith , even if it is atheist faith ? | I will take you at your word that you are interested in answering questions and discussing things. And I hope we will.
So I will ask you something very specific: Please resolve "the Riddle of Epicurus," which is: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then is he impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Any thoughts? | 
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04-15-2008, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PsiCop Quote:
Originally Posted by godlovesyou hi all
my name is angelo. i am a born again evangelical christian. i would like to share
my belief with who ever wants to know better the christian faith. i am not here to try to convert anyone , because, this is a personal decision, but to explain issues, that many of you might have pre judgement and not a comprehensive knowledge. I intend to respect anyone's convictions here, and expect the same of you.
So let me make my first question. Why are you agnostic, depite all informations we have access today, to get answers and give the ability to come to a own faith , even if it is atheist faith ? | I will take you at your word that you are interested in answering questions and discussing things. And I hope we will.
So I will ask you something very specific: Please resolve "the Riddle of Epicurus," which is: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then is he impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Any thoughts? | To steal an idea from that great person Romansh:
Is he something else so that when an atheist and theists die they hug each other and both say "you were right?" | |
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04-15-2008, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PsiCop Quote:
Originally Posted by godlovesyou hi all
my name is angelo. i am a born again evangelical christian. i would like to share
my belief with who ever wants to know better the christian faith. i am not here to try to convert anyone , because, this is a personal decision, but to explain issues, that many of you might have pre judgement and not a comprehensive knowledge. I intend to respect anyone's convictions here, and expect the same of you.
So let me make my first question. Why are you agnostic, depite all informations we have access today, to get answers and give the ability to come to a own faith , even if it is atheist faith ? | I will take you at your word that you are interested in answering questions and discussing things. And I hope we will.
So I will ask you something very specific: Please resolve "the Riddle of Epicurus," which is: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then is he impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Any thoughts? | this homepage will give you a answer : http://wcg.org/lit/spiritual/trials/whysuffer.htm | |
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04-15-2008, 11:31 AM
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my thoughts: If good and evil are a result of choice, and god created man with free will, then god created both good and evil. if god created good and evil, then god is neither good nor evil. this would mean that everyone who says god is good and loving is wrong, because this would imply that these things were not created by god, and if they were not created by god, then god is not god.
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04-15-2008, 12:13 PM
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Same stuff, another poster, I see.
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04-15-2008, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PsiCop So I will ask you something very specific: Please resolve "the Riddle of Epicurus," which is: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then is he impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Any thoughts? | this homepage will give you a answer : http://wcg.org/lit/spiritual/trials/whysuffer.htm | Woops! This page answers nothing, because it does not take into account God's omnipotence. Since you gave me a Web page as an answer to my question, I will answer back with one of my own: The Unexpected Nature of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God.
(Of course, I would have preferred a substantive exchange with you, but if all you're going to do is post a link at me, I'm not about to make much more of an effort myself.)
Bottom line: The JCI God is actually a malevolent creature. | |
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04-16-2008, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PsiCop Quote:
Originally Posted by godlovesyou Quote:
Originally Posted by PsiCop So I will ask you something very specific: Please resolve "the Riddle of Epicurus," which is: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then is he impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Any thoughts? | this homepage will give you a answer : http://wcg.org/lit/spiritual/trials/whysuffer.htm | Woops! This page answers nothing, because it does not take into account God's omnipotence. Since you gave me a Web page as an answer to my question, I will answer back with one of my own: The Unexpected Nature of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God.
(Of course, I would have preferred a substantive exchange with you, but if all you're going to do is post a link at me, I'm not about to make much more of an effort myself.)
Bottom line: The JCI God is actually a malevolent creature. | lol
And you know?
your the first!
Congrats.
Your paper would disagree with you though.
Read the last paragraph | |
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04-16-2008, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PsiCop Bottom line: The JCI God is actually a malevolent creature. | lol
And you know?
your the first!
Congrats.
Your paper would disagree with you though.
Read the last paragraph | Am I the first to logically demonstrate that the JCI God must be malevolent? I don't make that claim; I assume others have figured it out before me, and will again after me. What I can claim is that the reasoning is sound, logical, and obvious, and cannot be refuted.
At least, no logical refutation has yet been offered. You are cordially invited to provide one, if you're able.
As for the last paragraph, I wrote it, so I don't need to read it. It's a relic of a prior version which I should have changed, but never got around to. Thank you for reminding me, I will be sure to take care of it ASAP.  | |
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04-18-2008, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PsiCop Quote:
Originally Posted by AB517 Quote:
Originally Posted by PsiCop Bottom line: The JCI God is actually a malevolent creature. | lol
And you know?
your the first!
Congrats.
Your paper would disagree with you though.
Read the last paragraph | Am I the first to logically demonstrate that the JCI God must be malevolent? I don't make that claim; I assume others have figured it out before me, and will again after me. What I can claim is that the reasoning is sound, logical, and obvious, and cannot be refuted.
At least, no logical refutation has yet been offered. You are cordially invited to provide one, if you're able.
As for the last paragraph, I wrote it, so I don't need to read it. It's a relic of a prior version which I should have changed, but never got around to. Thank you for reminding me, I will be sure to take care of it ASAP. | lol
I know you wrote it.
I was just messing wit ya.
Besides saying "malevolent" makes the rest irrelevant now. I liked the paper the way it is. If you put your God is malevolent I just assume you’re a JCI hater and disregard the paper as a word game. I think if close it in another way than stating God is a spiteful, malice, evil, wicked, nasty, mean being and you’ll have a good paper.
For me to debate you would mean that I think you and I have a clue to what God is or is not.
We do not.
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04-18-2008, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou | Ok in your own words and in three lines why?
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