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04-07-2008, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Abel godlovesyou,
You have posted some very interesting facts. Most people will not accept the truth presented because it does not conform to their idea of truth. I find it amazing that folks will easily swallow the unproven, mythical teachings of evolution by the so called "experts", but when the real truth is presented, they choke on that which is easliy consumed. They like to point to their "facts", which are nothing more than fairy tells made up in order to fill the many holes in the theory of evolution. | Abel and glovesy
People who believe facts presented by the Discovery Institute bear a remarkable resemblence to people who smoke and believe through personal observation and information they may have gleaned from unreputable sources that smoking is not that bad, and if it is well what the hell .... I'm doing it anyway.
Keep puffing away guys. The delusion won't hurt you honestly. | instead criticize the source, you should adress the arguments, and rebate them, if you think they are wrong..... your attitude is pure preconception. | 
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04-07-2008, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou instead criticize the source, you should adress the arguments, and rebate them, if you think they are wrong..... your attitude is pure preconception. | replace the word code with sequence
and we can carry on the debate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_sequence
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04-07-2008, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou you think in my opinion in a very unrational way. when you see a written book, you would NEVER think, it was written by chance. | Books do not self-assemble.
Molecules do.
The analogy fails.
Furthermore, even if the universe had been created by a sentient entity, there are two more questions you need to address: - Where did this sentient being come from? Who created it?
- Why assume that this creative being just happens to be the one described in one's own religion?
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04-07-2008, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by godlovesyou why should it do so? if chance is the origin of everything, if no god exists, if nothing existed in the beginning, why should something evolve from nothing ?
why should a movement begin from nothing ? that is i r r a t i o n a l .
that makes simply no sense. you say 0 x 0 = 1. i say 0 x 0 = always 0. | OK we don't have a good answer how life started.
We know it did.
You come to the conclusion .... god did it. .... just must have.... because I don't know how else it could have been done???
'Don't know' versus 'God did it'? Now explain you rationale?
0 is not equivalent to 10^(+54) kg of mass.
so what if 10^(-23) kg of mass manages to start forming self replicating molecules over a period of 10^(10) y.
Explain why is evolution not god's tool?
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04-08-2008, 02:22 AM
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I'd also like to point out that "chance" is not the primary force driving evolution. It may have a role in abiogenesis, inasomuch as relatively few possible organic compounds will form structures capable of self-replication.
Once the process actually starts, however, it is no longer random.
Only those structures that are suitable for their environment will tend to persist. Furthermore, any time a copying error in an allele produces even a slight advantage over competing versions, the "new and improved" version will tend to out-survive and out-reproduce its competitors. Improvements persist, disadvantageous flaws cause die-off, and we generally only see the winners because the losers are all dead. | |
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04-08-2008, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by romansh Quote:
Originally Posted by godlovesyou why should it do so? if chance is the origin of everything, if no god exists, if nothing existed in the beginning, why should something evolve from nothing ?
why should a movement begin from nothing ? that is i r r a t i o n a l .
that makes simply no sense. you say 0 x 0 = 1. i say 0 x 0 = always 0. | OK we don't have a good answer how life started.
We know it did.
You come to the conclusion .... god did it. .... just must have.... because I don't know how else it could have been done???
'Don't know' versus 'God did it'? Now explain you rationale?
0 is not equivalent to 10^(+54) kg of mass.
so what if 10^(-23) kg of mass manages to start forming self replicating molecules over a period of 10^(10) y.
Explain why is evolution not god's tool? | Why should mass ( which you did not adress how it arised from nothing ) start to " form self replicating molecules ", and how these self replicating molecules arised as well. And how they organized in a extremely complex way and self formed a code .DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism. It cannot be happen by evolution and random mutation. no one has ever actually demonstrated that random mutation can create new information. | |
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04-08-2008, 07:17 AM
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What is the discover institute? | |
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04-08-2008, 07:32 AM
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The Discovery Institute is a political action group designed to create strategies to defeat the governmental separation of church and state and get creationism into classrooms. It does so by renaming the term and restating it until it can find a way that it can get it through the legal system. http://www.discovery.org/
It is a political think tank. It has nothing to do with scientific inquiry.
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04-08-2008, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Og The Discovery Institute is a political action group designed to create strategies to defeat the governmental separation of church and state and get creationism into classrooms. It does so by renaming the term and restating it until it can find a way that it can get it through the legal system. http://www.discovery.org/
It is a political think tank. It has nothing to do with scientific inquiry. | Thanks Og.
What creation story?
A Native American story? I like the Navaho one.
A Greek story? Wordy, but I like reading them.
Aborigine one? Their’s is the oldest I know of, so the oldest maybe the best.
A Viking one? I always have a place in my heart for the way those guys carried out the business of living in this world.
One small thing though Og, what is their data for picking one of these?  | |
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04-08-2008, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by romansh Quote:
Originally Posted by godlovesyou why should it do so? if chance is the origin of everything, if no god exists, if nothing existed in the beginning, why should something evolve from nothing ?
why should a movement begin from nothing ? that is i r r a t i o n a l .
that makes simply no sense. you say 0 x 0 = 1. i say 0 x 0 = always 0. | OK we don't have a good answer how life started.
We know it did.
You come to the conclusion .... god did it. .... just must have.... because I don't know how else it could have been done???
'Don't know' versus 'God did it'? Now explain you rationale?
0 is not equivalent to 10^(+54) kg of mass.
so what if 10^(-23) kg of mass manages to start forming self replicating molecules over a period of 10^(10) y.
Explain why is evolution not god's tool? |
Rom,
I did not think you believe in "GOD"? | |
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