i am a born again, evangelical christian - Page 21

kellid · 03-29-2008, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by duck

I am an agnostic, not because of information or of any other supposed proof, but because of the opposite. In spite of all we know there is still no tangible, evidential proof of any existence of a supernatural, omniscient being.

I choose not to identify with atheists since way too many have a very active agenda to deny rights of those who choose to believe.

Geshtinnanna intimated that I was being a little rude. Perhaps, but like she also said, I have my prejudices going on, they aren't going to change, and that is just the way it is.

Hi Duck! could you please elaborate on your quote "in spite of all we know"?

godlovesyou · 03-31-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xxkayxx

It's just a matter of opinion really. Each side is going to have their "evidence". It all seems overanalytical to me personally, like trying to find something, anything, out of nothing, just to prove a point( speaking of what godlovesyou is saying). It''s like the election w/ obama and clinton, each one nitpicking at eachothers "faults". I'd also like to add that what godlovesyou is saying doesnt seem too logical to me ,and if people want to come on here to have a REAL discussion, not just throwing random qoutes form the bible, i'd welcome them alot more than i would otherwise. Not quite sure what else they would have to base what they believe on other than the bible though...

So what do you believe ?

godlovesyou · 03-31-2008, 05:45 PM

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http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/

sorry, but for me, this kind of website is nonsense. might i ask you the same thing. What is your faith, what do you believe in ? Do you believe creation came to be how ? by chance ?

godlovesyou · 03-31-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GX

1) God is vengeful, wrathful, needy being that will condemn you if you dont worship him in the precise way he has laid out and do not follow his many rules to a tee
2) If you are anything other than a born again christian (i.e. Buddhist, Hindu etc.) you will be punished with everalasting damnation regardless of whether you are a good hearted, loving individual
3) If you drink or dance, you will go to hell
4) If you are a homosexual, you are destined for hell because "God hates fags"
5) If you are a heterosexual and engage in sex outside of marriage, you are going to hell
6) The Bible is to be taken literally and is the definitive book on all of existence even though it has many contradictions not to mention insane behaviors

do you understand the gospel ? do you know what the core and main message of the bible is all about ? do you know why Jesus Christ came to earth ?

godlovesyou · 03-31-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Astreja

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Originally Posted by marmalade

I think a believer shouldn't be surprised when they're beliefs are critically challenged on an agnostic forum. Its just the nature of the game.

And yet many devout visitors do give the appearance of being surprised when their views are not automatically accepted as The Truth™ and are not only questioned, but attacked with vigour.

I have a big problem with anyone who comes barging into a forum to insist that we *must* believe what they believe, or face the wrath of some invisible being. I consider that kind of language to be psychological abuse, and it doesn't inspire me to take the believer's claims seriously. Quite the opposite... It's the ultimate turn-off.

the main message of the bible is :

For this is the way36 God loved the world: He gave his one and only37 Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish38 but have eternal life.39 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world,40 but that the world should be saved through him.

so how do you feel and think, when you read abouth how much God loves you, very personally and individually ?

duck · 03-31-2008, 06:24 PM

In truth, I find the concept of God to be rather indifferent towards man.

shadowind · 03-31-2008, 07:07 PM

for god so loved the world, he sent his son to fix his mistakes, which he could of done himself, but no, a cross hanging sounds better.

romansh · 03-31-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by godlovesyou

do you understand the gospel ? do you know what the core and main message of the bible is all about ? do you know why Jesus Christ came to earth ?

Hi gly nice to 'see' you again

I think you are right. GX does not have a clue about the bible and gospels.
Though,
I am a little concerned that neither do you?

all the best

greywolf90 · 03-31-2008, 09:51 PM

this is something that has just recently occured to me, but as a christian, how would you feel about christianity letting go of its jewish roots and separating the old testiment from the new. if you have fully read the old t, you cannot deny that it comes from a much more barbaric (for lack of a better word) time and in many places, does not perscribe to the christian view of a merciful, loving god. i am not suggesting it be thrown away all together (it might be usefull for people who wish to study the history of judaism), but i cannot see any value it has to christianity as a religion other than to provide some context to what is said in the new t.

Abel · 04-04-2008, 10:22 AM

Greywolf,

If I may respond to your question concerning the O.T. As a Christian, one cannot seperate the Old from the New. The O.T. points man to the fact that he is in a condition in which he is out of fellowship with God because man cannot keep God's law. The N.T. shows man that God personally made a way possible for man to be reconciled to Him through His grace.

The O.T. is God's law, along with the punishments for disobedience. The N.T. is God's expression of love and forgiveness for breaking His law.

Throughout the scriptures, the theme is God's salvation, and the main character is Jesus Christ. The O.T. points forward to the cross, and the N.T. points back to the cross.