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11-19-2007, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Discovering Christ Derbonic, lets say everything evolved. Serious question, > How could evolution create an eye without the eyelid to protect it? or how could a heart or mind work without the body to keep it protected? | How could you not concider that all these components evolved simultaniously. I suspect that you believe in a world that has only made 5000 trips around the sun or so. Unless you are ready to concider you may be wrong about that , dont bother trying to find the answer to your question.
If you are interested in suspending your faiths and exploring a little, I would suggest starting simple. Look up and try to understand what the scientific method is. | micro evolution exists. this is, evolution of the species of same kind. macroevolution has not been prooved. the transitional fossils do not exist.
also, the animals appeard suddenly on earth. this as speaks for genesis, and against evolution theory. the claims of scientists, they found transitional fossils, is not true. there are species, that are extinct. this explains fossils which cannot be classified. | 
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11-19-2007, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by duck DC, that question makes no sense whatsoever. | to me , it makes absolutely sense. DC is right. something to work, all elements must be in place, otherwise it wont work. the watchmaker argument, despite evolutionist say its not valid, is very valid, still today, and no evolutionist can overcome it. They just ignore it. Its the only escape they have. Because, if they accept it, they must admit God. And this is the last they want. So they have no other choice, than to be irracional, and give irracional answers and arguments, to say, the analogy is not right. | Sorry I didnt see this until after I posted my other posts.
Again I state that the Theory of Evolution does not address Origin , only what has happened since.
You calling the evolutionists ( not a real word by the way ) irracional is .. well irracional ( I hope we are spelling this correct.  ) Evolutionary biologists are bound by the scientific method. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
Scientists can not "Admit God" because it cant be tested. Not only that but God(s) is/are not the only answer you can put there.
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11-19-2007, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Discovering Christ Derbonic, lets say everything evolved. Serious question, > How could evolution create an eye without the eyelid to protect it? or how could a heart or mind work without the body to keep it protected? | How could you not concider that all these components evolved simultaniously. I suspect that you believe in a world that has only made 5000 trips around the sun or so. Unless you are ready to concider you may be wrong about that , dont bother trying to find the answer to your question.
If you are interested in suspending your faiths and exploring a little, I would suggest starting simple. Look up and try to understand what the scientific method is. | micro evolution exists. this is, evolution of the species of same kind. macroevolution has not been prooved. the transitional fossils do not exist.
also, the animals appeard suddenly on earth. this as speaks for genesis, and against evolution theory. the claims of scientists, they found transitional fossils, is not true. there are species, that are extinct. this explains fossils which cannot be classified. | Again this discussion should be addressed under the evolution section of this forum.
Anyway. From what I gather from my limited exploration on the subject is that macro and micro evolution are the same thing. Everything is in a transitional stage all the time. The fossils do indeed exist. The fact that fossils are a rare occurance is where you are implimenting the "God of holes" argument. The breakdown scientists use to classify differant branches of the evolutionary path is used to specialize the scientists studying them. Not subjects studied.
I feel I am doing a poor job of explaining this however. If you do seek the opinions and observations of evolutionary biologists , I bet you can find them.
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11-19-2007, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Derbonic Quote:
Originally Posted by Discovering Christ Derbonic, lets say everything evolved. Serious question, > How could evolution create an eye without the eyelid to protect it? or how could a heart or mind work without the body to keep it protected? | How could you not concider that all these components evolved simultaniously. I suspect that you believe in a world that has only made 5000 trips around the sun or so. Unless you are ready to concider you may be wrong about that , dont bother trying to find the answer to your question.
If you are interested in suspending your faiths and exploring a little, I would suggest starting simple. Look up and try to understand what the scientific method is. | micro evolution exists. this is, evolution of the species of same kind. macroevolution has not been prooved. the transitional fossils do not exist.
also, the animals appeard suddenly on earth. this as speaks for genesis, and against evolution theory. the claims of scientists, they found transitional fossils, is not true. there are species, that are extinct. this explains fossils which cannot be classified. | Again this discussion should be addressed under the evolution section of this forum.
Anyway. From what I gather from my limited exploration on the subject is that macro and micro evolution are the same thing. Everything is in a transitional stage all the time. The fossils do indeed exist. The fact that fossils are a rare occurance is where you are implimenting the "God of holes" argument. The breakdown scientists use to classify differant branches of the evolutionary path is used to specialize the scientists studying them. Not subjects studied.
I feel I am doing a poor job of explaining this however. If you do seek the opinions and observations of evolutionary biologists , I bet you can find them. | God did it through evolution.
DNA is a running code, solving things. | |
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11-19-2007, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AB517 God did it through evolution.
DNA is a running code, solving things. | Awesome opinion man! If indeed you meant it as an opinion, then you are demonstating that you are at least open minded. And creative as well.
Now be scientific and do your best to prove it wrong.
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Originally Posted by AB517 God did it through evolution.
DNA is a running code, solving things. | Awesome opinion man! If indeed you meant it as an opinion, then you are demonstating that you are at least open minded. And creative as well.
Now be scientific and do your best to prove it wrong. | YOU GOT IT, one of the few.
I have been trying to prove me wrong for a while.
Good show.
Must don't understand that. 
It is not an opinion. well maybe it is. It is what I believe. 
I am a believing science guy.
I use what we observe.
Make a hypothesis.
Then see if I can prove it wrong. I test and retest. Never stop testing. | |
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11-20-2007, 05:42 AM
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I dont know what most christians would say but I know a few born agains, one pitys me because I live life without God, another refuses to speak to me because Im not christian and am therefore a minion of satan whom he has sent to test their faith...apparently... | |
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11-20-2007, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Derbonic Quote:
Originally Posted by AB517 God did it through evolution.
DNA is a running code, solving things. | Awesome opinion man! If indeed you meant it as an opinion, then you are demonstating that you are at least open minded. And creative as well.
Now be scientific and do your best to prove it wrong. | YOU GOT IT, one of the few.
I have been trying to prove me wrong for a while.
Good show.
Must don't understand that.
It is not an opinion. well maybe it is. It is what I believe.
I am a believing science guy.
I use what we observe.
Make a hypothesis.
Then see if I can prove it wrong. I test and retest. Never stop testing. | god cannot be proofed with scientific method. the way to find god is only trough faith. | |
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11-20-2007, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AB517 Quote:
Originally Posted by Derbonic Quote:
Originally Posted by AB517 God did it through evolution.
DNA is a running code, solving things. | Awesome opinion man! If indeed you meant it as an opinion, then you are demonstating that you are at least open minded. And creative as well.
Now be scientific and do your best to prove it wrong. | YOU GOT IT, one of the few.
I have been trying to prove me wrong for a while.
Good show.
Must don't understand that.
It is not an opinion. well maybe it is. It is what I believe.
I am a believing science guy.
I use what we observe.
Make a hypothesis.
Then see if I can prove it wrong. I test and retest. Never stop testing. | god cannot be proofed with scientific method. the way to find god is only trough faith. |
So we just have to take the Church's word that God exists, and believe in him blindly?!? Do you mind me asking what made you choose Christianity before any other religion? Or what made you choose religion at all? I find it strange, but also interesting that people can choose something and follow it blindly though they have no proof and probably never will have. | |
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11-20-2007, 12:06 PM
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Question... Why would a man give His life for a lie? (Jesus has been proven in history) Why would people become healed when Jesus Touched them? (witch has also been proven) ... Please answer this question and don't put it off like my other one... thank you | |
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