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11-25-2007, 07:39 PM
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#11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by AB517
It is not religion.
Do not blame religion for what is our fault.
It is people.
I have married those too ideas with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Now I bring its message (not mine) into my religion.
Holy Spirit, stream of desires, karma, chi, the Force ... what ever.
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"RELIGION IS MADE OF PEEEEEOPLE!!"
Now seriously, even if you took something like Jesus Krishna to be true you would still be left with fact that the religions that are constructed afterwards, are definately "made of people"
The world would be quite better off without religion. Although I understand and appreciate the idea of constructing a religion that would be actually helpful to the future of humanity. It is probably more important to teach people to imagine a world with no religion. |
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11-26-2007, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Hereticxxii Quote:
Originally Posted by AB517
It is not religion.
Do not blame religion for what is our fault.
It is people.
I have married those too ideas with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Now I bring its message (not mine) into my religion.
Holy Spirit, stream of desires, karma, chi, the Force ... what ever.
Do you understand? |
"RELIGION IS MADE OF PEEEEEOPLE!!"
Now seriously, even if you took something like Jesus Krishna to be true you would still be left with fact that the religions that are constructed afterwards, are definately "made of people"
The world would be quite better off without religion. Although I understand and appreciate the idea of constructing a religion that would be actually helpful to the future of humanity. It is probably more important to teach people to imagine a world with no religion. | this is correct.
So focus on people, not the religion.
religions are meaningless with out people.
It is people; not religions that are the problem. |
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11-26-2007, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AB517 Quote:
Originally Posted by Hereticxxii Quote:
Originally Posted by AB517
It is not religion.
Do not blame religion for what is our fault.
It is people.
I have married those too ideas with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Now I bring its message (not mine) into my religion.
Holy Spirit, stream of desires, karma, chi, the Force ... what ever.
Do you understand? |
"RELIGION IS MADE OF PEEEEEOPLE!!"
Now seriously, even if you took something like Jesus Krishna to be true you would still be left with fact that the religions that are constructed afterwards, are definately "made of people"
The world would be quite better off without religion. Although I understand and appreciate the idea of constructing a religion that would be actually helpful to the future of humanity. It is probably more important to teach people to imagine a world with no religion. | this is correct.
So focus on people, not the religion.
religions are meaningless with out people.
It is people; not religions that are the problem. | Its a bit of both, religion and people are to blame. You have to have a basic starting point (religion) which is adopted by people. So people make up religion, but the leaders of this religion control the people and so religion is just as dangerous.
Using christianity as an example...there were a few people who shared beliefs (the back bone of religion), they were joined by more people (development of religion), these people are told what the believe and what to do by the leaders of the religion ie the church, who brainwash them into following the church blindly, therefore both the people and religion are equally important
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11-26-2007, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hell_raiser195 Quote:
Originally Posted by AB517 Quote:
Originally Posted by Hereticxxii Quote:
Originally Posted by AB517
It is not religion.
Do not blame religion for what is our fault.
It is people.
I have married those too ideas with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Now I bring its message (not mine) into my religion.
Holy Spirit, stream of desires, karma, chi, the Force ... what ever.
Do you understand? |
"RELIGION IS MADE OF PEEEEEOPLE!!"
Now seriously, even if you took something like Jesus Krishna to be true you would still be left with fact that the religions that are constructed afterwards, are definately "made of people"
The world would be quite better off without religion. Although I understand and appreciate the idea of constructing a religion that would be actually helpful to the future of humanity. It is probably more important to teach people to imagine a world with no religion. | this is correct.
So focus on people, not the religion.
religions are meaningless with out people.
It is people; not religions that are the problem. | Its a bit of both, religion and people are to blame. You have to have a basic starting point (religion) which is adopted by people. So people make up religion, but the leaders of this religion control the people and so religion is just as dangerous.
Using christianity as an example...there were a few people who shared beliefs (the back bone of religion), they were joined by more people (development of religion), these people are told what the believe and what to do by the leaders of the religion ie the church, who brainwash them into following the church blindly, therefore both the people and religion are equally important | lmao
eerrrr ... uuuhhh .... hmmm
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11-26-2007, 08:21 PM
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| religion is simply our way of explaining what we do not understand, and i think that as long as people have questions, there will always be religion. i do not think people following religions are weak or that everyone is afraid. most people just want something that will give them answers. i don't have a problem with anyones' beliefs because they are just beliefs. i don't mind others sharing there beliefs, but i do mind when people claim to know the truth and force their beliefs on others. i do not think it can be proven that the world would be better without religion. i am aware of all the fighting and killing that happens with religion as the reason, but it is possible that there would still be just as much fighting (human nature?). for the "world without religion" like i said above, people will always have questions and truth can only go so far. i also consider atheism and agnosticism to be religions, so to me, yall are thinking of a world with just one religion. i would have agreed that the world could use a new religion, but after seeing scientology, i think it would be better to wait a little longer; at least until someone more enlightened comes along. personally, i don't mind sharing my beliefs, but i would never want them to become a religion with followers. people should follow there own beliefs and not what someone else tells them. |
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11-27-2007, 09:10 AM
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| More religions? I hope that they don't involve more gods.
With the technology available today, a lot of people could get fooled for another 3,000 years.
Jacob
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Religions, movements and even nations
are constructs invented by humans.
They only take on meaning
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11-27-2007, 05:25 PM
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| Religion is a set of beliefs. It is impossible for an agnostic to have any other religion that agnostism simply because he would no longer then be an agnostic.
Consider this "A 'Free Thinker' cannot have a faith'. Quote: |
Religion is simply our way of explaining what we do not understand
| So true. Mankind in the past could not understand where his origins lay, so religion was created to attempt to answer this. |
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11-27-2007, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by danarch Tired of the same old religious jargin that has been passed down century apon century? Weary of those ancient religions mutating evey couple thousand years or so?
Start something new!!! (applause)
"people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of what the truth is."
Since none of the big players in the world (christians,muslems,ect.) are using the logic and reason cards that this world could benifit from, You can get a corner in the market. Be the the first on your block to say, "my religion saved the human race from destruction, allowed the scientific facts to be taught to our children, and has improved my self-esteem!"
there are 2 basic truths: what you believe to be true
what can be proven to be true
if only i could live long enough to see the religion that marries those 2..... | For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. |
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11-28-2007, 01:48 AM
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| I think , perhaps, the need of the hour is a secular spirituality, which is independent of religion, and which anyone can connect with.
__________________ You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.
---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )
“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”
---Buddha
The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.
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11-30-2007, 09:16 AM
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| Many would argue that religion gives us moral standards to live by. In truth, the laws of the land already dictate this to us. If the laws don't work, then they should be amended. If they still don't work, then perhaps our system of democracy is broken and it too should be fixed. In my opinion, the world is better off without religion; especially the ones which infringe on our freedoms.
Jacob
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Religions, movements and even nations
are constructs invented by humans.
They only take on meaning
if humanity chooses to accept them. |
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