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09-02-2007, 03:52 PM
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09-28-2007, 02:29 AM
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| video games.
with no real parental guidance, my nintendo, sega, playstations was always there.
and what did i learn from my electronic parental figure????
logic
PURE LOGIC
3 years ago, someone told me i was agnostic.
reading the definition alone was enough.
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09-28-2007, 06:53 AM
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| I'm from a hybrid Methodist/Catholic family (that's why I managed to dodge baptism as kid) and Agnostic for over a decade now.
My Agnosticism come, as I believe for most of you, by pure logic observation;
1) Everyone says their religion is right; the problem is they do not say the same and on several points it's impossible for both to be right.
2) The outcome of several religions on life is really hazardous.
3) I see no point on repeat over and over the same senseless prayers. What's the meaning of such anyway? They're simply decorated texts with no particular meaning to whoever speaks them out.
4) I can't however achieve any solid knowledge to deny God or Gods, life after death and related.
5) Almost all religions are also result of millenniums of human experience and can't be simply ignored.
Under the state of doubt I can't say I'm an Atheist, since that requires to be sure about something I'm not, so I'm an Agnostic.
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09-28-2007, 01:59 PM
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| 1) When I fought out that some politicians, Constantine I and the First Council of Nicaea, revised the Bible, rejected and accepted scriptures, to better their occult political agenda.
2)When I fought out about astro-theology.
Like the person above me said
3)I can't however achieve any solid knowledge to deny God or Gods, life after death and related.
4) Everyone says their religion is right; the problem is they do not say the same and on several points it's impossible for both to be right.
5) There are millions of ways to interpret or misinterpret the Bible and any other religious book. That is why all threw out history religious people have fought, ever killed, over these understandings. |
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09-28-2007, 07:28 PM
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| I think when I decided that the societal God did not exist.
I talked to my step father said... Jesus was a bastard child... whoa beyond the bastard child. I laughed and he laughed, then the most amazing thing happened... Jesus was a bastard child.
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09-29-2007, 02:07 AM
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| When I was eight I started asking my Sunday school teacher about the dinosaurs (I was into them big time) and how they fit into the whole bible thing, she had no good answers, things got worse after that. When I was ten I lived in Biloxi Mississippi, this was 1969 and hurricane Camille came through that part of the gulf. There was a church, about 3 blocks from the beach, where people had gone to take shelter from the storm... well after the storm only the steeple remained and I remember that as having pretty big affect on my attitude towards God and of course I asked god to give me a sign that he was present or at least in the general area to no avail. My mother forced me to keep going to church for a couple more years but it was over by then, no way to save me 
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09-29-2007, 11:12 AM
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| I have always been agnostic as far as I can figure it. I didnt know of the word agnostic the first 25 or so years of my life. I still to this day do not know my parents beliefs. As a child, when I would ask my parents about origin or afterlife. They would reply " what do you think? "
When your thinking for yourself its hard not to be honest.
To share a few moments of childhood spiritual contemplation:
I have on many occasions as a child stood out in a lightning storm and screamed at the top of my lungs " IF THERE IS GOD, MAY LIGHTNING STRIKE ME DOWN! " On one occasion sending a rather religious friend to tears. That particular occasion marked a point in my life when I started to pay very close attention to others on the rare times they spoke on the subject.
I have spent many hours trying to think what benefit a religion might serve other than all the nice moral stories and good intentioned rules , that are already completely encompassed by Do Unto Others... ( or as I like to call it- Respect for the Individual. ) Including the 20+ TEN COMANDMENTS 
The countless times I have been completely baffled by the obsurdity of the actions and statements made by blazingly religious aquaintences. And how likeing them anyway is sometimes easy.
Having been called and believing I was an Athiest in school, but always thinking that Athiest was not quite the right description. |
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09-29-2007, 11:31 AM
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| i guess i've been agnostic and didn't know there was a word for it. the question was "do you believe in god?" i answer, "whether god exist or not its not going to make a difference." needless to say, i dont have many friends. in fact i lose aquaintences as soon as the topic of religion is brought Up. |
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09-29-2007, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Derbonic Having been called and believing I was an Athiest in school, but always thinking that Athiest was not quite the right description. | That's classic. Its really profound when you can say of the stereotypes, well, "that's not really what I am" Even among agnostics there can be quite a variety..its the beauty of the term, its all about individuality and making up your own damn mind Quote:
Originally Posted by darkwaterwalker "whether god exist or not its not going to make a difference." needless to say, i dont have many friends. in fact i lose aquaintences as soon as the topic of religion is brought Up. | That's too bad, but there are smart people out there. If people are willing to ruin a friendship because of God, then those people are idiots. I'm sure you'll find smart people that, even if religious, will not care and like you nontheless |
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10-18-2007, 03:59 AM
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| orgin I grew up baptist, was baptised at age 13, went to church most every sunday. I learned all the stuff in sunday school as if it were real school....never really asked any questions. After getting to highschool, it was probably a combination of things that changed my beliefs. Some of it was probably just being rebellious of my parents, like every kid eventually does. Most of it sort of built up gradually throughout highschool with thoughts about certain things I learned in sunday school, questioning the validity of not just my beliefs but everything. The part I'll always remember, is thinking about christianity and god as a "web of answers," in the most negative way possible. It kind of started out as me "testing my faith" with the toughest questions I could think of, trying to find a flaw somewhere, like it was a math problem that deserved to be solved. But I found that I could answer all my own questions, but I didn't Believe in any of the answers.....hmmmm that sounds wierd doesn't it? The best way to probably put it, is that I had a very hard problem accepting that anything was "perfect." This so-called Perfect web of answers just didn't seem right at all, no other way I can say it.
So near my senior year of highschool I turned atheist, embracing all the conflict that arose from most of my christian friends. But I went too far to the other side of the spectrum, which seems natural to do. I like to visualize things mathematically....so on a scale of -10 to 10, I went from an 8 to a -8, where 10 is absolutely believing without a doubt in god, and -10 is believing w/o a doubt that there is no god.
But I eventually leveled out, reaching what I think is close to 0.
Some of the phrases that I remember helped to get me where I am now, mostly because they got me angry, like....logical anger....
"You will never be able to understand God, our minds can't even begin to comprehend him."
"You can't point to a human error in attempting to disprove/defame religion, because humans are flawed and they'll make mistakes no matter how well God guides them."
oh the classic... "It's wrong because the Bible says so."
Pascal's argument (I think) that: If you don't believe in god and there is a god, you risk eternal hell, but if you believe in god and live a godly life and it turns out there is no god, you lose nothing.
What definately helped cement my agnosticism though, was the fact that I found that other people had similar beliefs, albeit most of them on the internet, and many of the famous agnostics were extremely smart people. |
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