Grant

Ape-like Creatures:
This is something thats been gnawing at me for a while.

Yes, there were ape-like creatures in Africa. Thats not disputable. I don't see how this evidence against creationsim though.

This doesn't mean that what we see today as humans didn't exist. I'm sure thousands of years from now they'll be digging up ape-like fossils from our time. We certainly exist though.

There have only been about a dozen excavations that could be concluded as "ape-like". Prehaps if there were thousands of apes and nothing that looks like a present-day human, I would consider this and therefore re-evaluate my position on creationsim. Its not very many though...

Cave Paintings:
We observe that people were capable of painting back in the day. How does this mean they couldn't write? I can paint. You're reading something I wrote right now. We have no reason to believe the kids didn't just decide to paint a picture of their daddy hunting. (for example)

Please stay on-topic. We can discuss the carbon dating not lining up and whatnot later on or elsewhere. I certainly want to. However, please only discuss my arguments for now.

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}SoC{Sumguy

uh, i've always wondered, why do people concern themselves with the specifics of our origin? its the future we should focus on, not the past. The petty details of HOW we got here dont really matter, what matters is that we are here, now let us do what we can with what we have.

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Grant

I disagree with you on that one buddy boy! I think as far as deciding what religion/belief to follow, the origins are extremely important. If creationsim is disproven, I wouldn't want to follow it. Thats why I checked up on it.

Don't get me wrong though! As far as how we live our lives, the future is much more important!

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SithLord

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you're a Republican conservative.

Because just like they don't want to talk about why we went to war you don't want to talk about origins. Which is the most ridiculous close minded blind faith statement ever.

It's like Titan said, it's important, expecially in this context, because it goes to prove whether religion has it right. When you evangelical nut jobs gonna get your heads out of the sand?

Grant

No comment on the topic of the thread? Please try not to get off-topic here...

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George

I think what our angry friend here was trying to say is, that maybe you can consider that questioning religion is OK and it doesn't necessarily mean you are questioning God.

If you believe in God then you believe that God knows your heart and you questioning your religion is simply your way of trying to ensure without a doubt that you are walking in the path he wants for you.

Word of warning though. Be careful, because once you start asking those questions, it tends to get harder and harder to stop

Titan you're right, we're off topic

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George

So in response to the thread starter.

I say solid theory but.....

Your problem lies within my favorite and yours too... the bible. It clearly states that Adam and Eve talked and wrote from the beginning. Explaining it away as some other species that lived alongside man is fine until you get to the question of why nendrathal man wasn't mentioned in the bible then. And why the nendrathal fossils and cave drawing pre-date any discoveries of modern man bones by millions of years.

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What I've never understood is the lack of rudimentary writing examples. I'm not talking about the precursors to alphabetic writings, but a rudimentary beginning alpahbet system. It seems as if there was not written language, and then there was all of it. We don't seem to have examples of the equivalent of a five year olds notes.
Or have I missed that somewhere?

Grant

Keep in mind that I'm not 100% sure of my position on this. I'm just throwing theories and concepts around. I'll reach a conclusion someday like that... (hopefully, lol)

Creationists say Carbon dating is flawed or not as consistant as its considered to be. I'll ask around and see what exactly Creationists are saying and get back with you

EDIT:
I talked to my older brother and was surprised at his uncommon coherency... his thoughts actually connected for once :P
Explanation-

You'd have to assume the earth was created as a working world. Processes were created already working. He created animals, and weather patterns, and had processes already in motion. In other words, it was created in such a way that it had "age"... as in the earth works as a continual process, you can't just start everything from stagnant and hope it just works out.
Carbon dating is virtually impossible to get accurate because it basically counts how much carbon is in a material, based on its decay rate. But, we don't know for sure what a materials decay rate is unless we have something of known age to compare it to. Like some old woods that are thousands of years old can be dated because we know how old they are, so other types of that wood can be dated too because we know approximately how fast the carbon decays. Because the processes already being in motion, like a tree was created, not a seed. Therefore, it would already have many rings around the width of the tree. That would apply for any number of the earth's processes. Another thing that could mess things up is a worldwide flood. That could have changed a lot of the characteristics on dating stuff because of pressure and relocating debris and all sorts of stuff. There are really a lot of factors to consider.

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}SoC{Sumguy

i never said that it shouldnt be an issue, i just think that it shouldnt be the MAIN issue.

btw, ill discuss the Iraq war anytime if you'll pm me about it.

anyway i see your poiny Titan, ill have to thimk about this.

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