sisterX

In other words OG science does not disprove my notion of God, and my notion of God does not contradict with the existence of the cosmos. Its just your opinion against mine rather than science against my notion of God.

Einstein thought his mind was too feeble to comprehend God, you just say its ridiculous to believe in a God as a Concious Being.
Armel why dont you add something to the discussion instead of calling everything I say either "absurd" "illogical" or claiming I dont know what I'm talking about!
This is just my view and I'm hear to discuss it and to compare it to what other people like og believe, not to CHANGE my mind.

Armel P

No. It's reason against believing your notion of God.

Again: http://www.atheistsunited.org/wordso.../einstein.html

It is ridiculous because you are believing in something for which there is no evidence. Amazing how things don't sink in. Osmosis through a tub of wax would be more successful than this.

I see now why you have not understood my posts. You've only read one word into them.

Well I think we've acheived that goal already haven't we, considering all the repetition that's been going on?

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SDSJap

Sister X did you that there is an invisible dwarf who follows you everywhere you go, he particularly likes watching you eat breakfast.

can you disprove that? the idea of a God is not falsifiable thus it can not be a scientific theory

Og

the idea of god is falsifiable. People make claims about God. There are "divine" books that make claims about god. These claims can be falsified.

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SDSJap

only if the beleivers are forced to take the claims litteraly, for example we show life cant be created in 7 days they say what is a day to god?

jaej

Not falsifiable perse, but you can collect evidence against gods, which makes them all but impossible.

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Og

There are some that are vague like this. Then there are others such as the power of prayer in empirical experiments. Then there's things like the way that the God of christianity is inextricably linked to free will (i.e. judgmental god) and the fact that we are neural machines without an ultimate ability to choose anything.

There are some claims that are vague and others that are quite specific and crucial to the structure of the religion. The latter can be labeled and disproved.

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sisterX

Why is it whenever you guys talk about vagueness in the bible you just mention the 7 day thing. It's not 7 days its 7 periods of time, i mean get over it already!

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Og

But it says 7 days sisterX.

Why do the translations I read say "day" instead of "age" or "span"?

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SDSJap

the word yom, is hewbrew for day and is what is used in the hebrew bible in genesis. Yom, is translated in every other use of the word in the bible as a 24hour period.

if we interpret yom as say 1000 years(commonly held as some obscure "second translation" for yom) then much of the rest of the bible is very chaotic, for example the flood lasted 40,000 years.

damn, you mean i have to work for 6,000 years before i get any time off?

If adam was made on the 6th day, which lasted 1000 years, and god rested for 1000 years on the 7th day. and adam and eve fell into sin after the 7th day then they wouldve lived past 1000 years old which is false because the bible says adam died at 930

I could continue but just know that the word Yom is used 700 times in the Old Testament and not once refers to anything more than a 24 hour period