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03-27-2007, 09:42 PM
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the sexual evolution of the reproductive organs of gnats?
| Be more specific. What exactly are you asking for?
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03-27-2007, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Og No. That would not be a correct assessment.
I know a lot about the construction of the creature. In fact, I am teaching a lab next week as part of a course at cornell where we're dissecting a relative of the common gnat (order Diptera), the house fly, and recording from its muscles. I have also studied evolutionary biology for some time and have dissected and developed instrumentation for a perception study in another diptera (Ormia Ochracea). The lab I work in does much work on fruit flies including analysis of the mating behavior and sexual selection and how genetic factors modify this.
I also have a large volume of study and work in the field of evolutionary biology which speaks to these things and have studied the behaviors of similar organism (such as bees) which use pheromonal queues to cause sexual distinction for their queen and reproduction (i.e. a precursor/parallel to male/female sexual behavior).
But my understanding of the topic doesn't seem to have anything to do with your willingness to learn some molecular biology. | Have you only commented thus far on things you thought I had a willingness to learn? It seems you are choosing to stay out of more concrete areas, is that true?
Can you tell me the sexual evolution of the bee and its reproductive system? Is the bee a descendent of the gnat? |
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03-27-2007, 09:45 PM
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| You are being entirely too vague. The bee and the gnat are two distinct species.
What species are you referring to when you say "the gnat"? What type of bee are you referring to?
What exactly do you want to know? What do you mean when you say "sexual evolution" and what exactly do you want to know about the reproductive system?
Be specific.
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03-27-2007, 09:50 PM
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| Entrez PubMed
A quick search (literally 10 seconds) on pubmed yields this paper on conserved genetic sequences between drosophila and the honey bee in determination of gender.
There's a large body of evidence out there illustrating the genetics, how they modify amongst Diptera and how hive style pheromone sex selection and larval stage sex selection relate.
Male/Female did not originate in Diptera though, so if you're looking to understand the evolution of sexual differentiation, you are looking in the wrong order.
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03-27-2007, 09:55 PM
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| You're clearly not interested in putting in any effort to understand the topic you wish to discuss. You also are obviously unqualified to make any statements about the evolutionary biology of ANYTHING.
Cheers and good night.
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03-27-2007, 10:07 PM
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| hey Bod,
call 1-900-gnatluv and get a gnat girl to explain gnat sexual evolution to you. yep .... good old dirty talk with a gnat girl is obviously what you are looking for! Cause it sure ain't answers about regular gnat evolution ... come on fess up you just wanted someone to talk dirty to you .... later dude ... you're getting way to boring!  |
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03-27-2007, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Og Entrez PubMed
A quick search (literally 10 seconds) on pubmed yields this paper on conserved genetic sequences between drosophila and the honey bee in determination of gender.
There's a large body of evidence out there illustrating the genetics, how they modify amongst Diptera and how hive style pheromone sex selection and larval stage sex selection relate.
Male/Female did not originate in Diptera though, so if you're looking to understand the evolution of sexual differentiation, you are looking in the wrong order. | You do realize that that link has nothing to do with the evolution of the sexual reproductive system in either of those insects, right? |
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03-27-2007, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Og You're clearly not interested in putting in any effort to understand the topic you wish to discuss. You also are obviously unqualified to make any statements about the evolutionary biology of ANYTHING.
Cheers and good night. |
If I'm not interested then why am I asking you the question? Of course I want to know if you in-fact know you should tell me. The truth is I don't think you know. These are Creations originally created as they are. |
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03-28-2007, 04:52 AM
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The truth is I don't think you know. These are Creations originally created as they are.
| This would be an example of a statement you are completely unqualified to make as you have put in zero effort to understand the construction of these creatures.
The link I placed answered your question about the relation of the honey bee and the gnat (generalized small fly). Particularly where their sexual differentiation is concerned.
Studying the genetic diversity of similar species where the genes relating to their sexual differentiation are concerned is an important component in understanding the evolution of the sexual reproductive system in those insects.
That you think the genetic homology across species relating to sexual differentiation between a pheromone induced sexual differentiation species and a larval differentiated species is irrelevant to your question just means that you don't really know what you're asking.
It's a complex subject. Of which you're unqualified to approach at this point and to which you show no willingness to move towards understanding.
You have the preconceived notion that I've quoted and won't go any further.
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03-29-2007, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Og This would be an example of a statement you are completely unqualified to make as you have put in zero effort to understand the construction of these creatures.
The link I placed answered your question about the relation of the honey bee and the gnat (generalized small fly). Particularly where their sexual differentiation is concerned.
Studying the genetic diversity of similar species where the genes relating to their sexual differentiation are concerned is an important component in understanding the evolution of the sexual reproductive system in those insects.
That you think the genetic homology across species relating to sexual differentiation between a pheromone induced sexual differentiation species and a larval differentiated species is irrelevant to your question just means that you don't really know what you're asking.
It's a complex subject. Of which you're unqualified to approach at this point and to which you show no willingness to move towards understanding.
You have the preconceived notion that I've quoted and won't go any further. | Are you qualified to approach this subject or not? I'm trying to move forward with understanding. |
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