Evolutions shaky foundation - Page 2

Geshtinnanna · 02-20-2007, 01:30 AM

So evolution has no proof? Can you please produce the talking snake and the two people? Thanks. Appreciate that.

Faith · 02-20-2007, 01:42 AM

lol, am I God, no. Can I produce anyone then, no! That comment made no sense.

Faith · 02-20-2007, 01:44 AM

I find it funny you believe you actualy "evolved" from a a monkey. I will keep that in mind when I past by the zoo and see a monkey swinging from a tree pickin at it's scruby self and say, "Hey Geshtinnanna!"

Geshtinnanna · 02-20-2007, 01:50 AM

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Og · 02-20-2007, 07:08 AM

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You continue to call it eveidence. Evolutionists have seen NOTHING whatsoever of evolution. In fact, there are so many things against evolution from science itself and from observation, that I couldn't make enough posts and threads to fit in into this forum. Evolutionists are begining to doubt their own dating systems, as they recently tested their dating system on 200 year old fossil, and their radiometric dating said it was 3.1 million years old.

And when they discover that the supposed descendents of ceratin animals are burried below their supposed ancestors, they say it was a shift in the soil which somehow made them switch places and still leaving the soil undisturbed. As well, they have made many discoveries of animals that shouldn't have existed at the time periods according to science, burried together, and all the discoveries of the cities in the past that were exactly how they were said in the Bible, yet "impossible" back then, they were left speachless.

Animals scaled hills all over the world together, predator and pray side by side, tombs of fossils that had thousands of fossils and different types of animals that according to evolutionists, shouldn't have existed in the same time periods as I said. When they died their bodies were thrown together and were burried immediately on the hills they tried to escape too.

More unfounded claims. Still dancing around the facts about DNA. Heh. You're just making stuff up or spewing back what you heard from some crazy preacher.

Tell patients with drug resistant TB or Africans with sickle cell anemia that you don't think there is evidence for evolution.

You're being ridiculous, faith. Your assertions are wild and without merit. Who cares what you think about evolution. You are a small minded doubtless religious fundamentalist. I have taken courses in molecular biology, transfected genes into target organisms and sequenced DNA. I teach undergrads how to record the electrical signals produced by neurons.

I work in the neurobiology and behavior department next door to the ecology and evolutionary biology department at Cornell University. Your claims are ridiculous. You refuse to provide evidence for your assertions. I can provide text books and a massive volume of references starting with mendel's genetics work to darwin's origin of species based on his observations in the galapagos. Then I can provide massive volumes of genetic homology studies and ACTUAL paleontological work.

You clearly have no idea how radioactive dating is carried out, nor what a half life of a radioactive species is.

Get a clue.

Og · 02-20-2007, 07:18 AM

It's just an idiotic stance to reject evolution. It's indicative of a mind that has absolutely no clue about the world around them and how cancers frequently occur and the genetic diversity amongst even just the human species.

You clearly have no idea about the age of the universe or the time scales involved and what processes are clearly being applied now.

Your claims about creationism are just patently false. As is your God. The wester god is a ridiculous and untenable hypothesis in light of repeatable evidence of modern neuroscience about the nature of being a living organism. Because you don't grasp them is no skin off my back.

Remain ignorant. That's your business. Your claims about evolution are false.

jaej · 02-20-2007, 08:55 AM

Faith, I have a question for you.

While it is certainly your choice to cling to the preposterous idea of the christian god, etc., how is it that you can so blindly cling to all they teach when faced with staggering evidence to the contrary? Take evolution: despite what your meaningless claims say, evolution happened. Why then do you not believe in theistic evolution, instead of the ridiculous '7 days of creation'? You can't tell me you take everything in the Bible literally; why then do you continue to believe the ludacrious dogma that it preaches? I suppose I can understand believing in a religion, but I can't understand why you don't subscribe to something as painfully obvious as evolution.

Og · 02-20-2007, 09:26 AM

I know I know! It's because he's right and anyone who has opinions counter to him is under the influence of satan

This is why he adds nothing to any conversation. He simply beats his little dead horse. He doesn't subscribe to evolution because it's based on observation. He's one of the unfortunate few who are so afraid to live that they bury their heads in the sand and miss out on all life for some unfounded fear.

I've experienced it personally and professionally in some cases and have overcome it in some instances and still deal with the fear of the unknown in a few aspects of life. Keeping the status quo is a POWERFUL force in the universe. It's a truism across all systems in reality. It's basically an expression of momentum. That whole thing about an object at rest will stay at rest unless acted on by an outside force.

It takes energy and (in our case) courage to use our minds.

Faith chooses not to. I understand his behavior, and can empathize.

OMG · 02-21-2007, 08:17 PM

Faith, you are constantly assuming that the teachings youve been taught are correct. How can you be certain that you have not been corrupted by satan, and that some other religion is supposed to be the right one?
Theres no way you can. You cant say to yourself that its the good and rightous feeling you get when you believe, because satan could still be doing that to confuse you. You cant say you dont need proof, just faith, because your still in the same boat. what if your faith is foolishly misplaced?
If there is any way that you think you can prove that you are following the correct religion. let me know. Im not expectng a reply..
Myself, I tend to believe things that seem common sense, or things that would seem to naturally fit into the whole scheme of things.
Thats why i dont believe in creationism or god for that matter. Not that i dont believe it could actually be true, just that it sure doesnt fit in place like common sense would dictate. I believe in evolutionism (and everything else i believe) because its not really that absurd, the pieces fit pretty good with common sense and judgement. I dont believe in creationism or god, because 1) it would be just someone trying to tell me its what is true, with nothing else but words.
2) I would have to make believe that a very abnormal fantasy is actually true, and have to keep convincing myself of this even though it keeps getting attacked by non-believers and made harder and harder to believe. taking into account that i only have words to back it up.
3) If I allow myself to believe in far stretching reality concepts such as creationism and god and that whole ball of yarn, it makes me think, well what else can I be convinced to believe? And if I can be convinced to believe whatever someone else wants me to believe, no matter how fantastic/absurd, then they can essentailly tell me how to behave, and what to do. And if I just do what I am told by others to do, then I essentially dont exist, I am just a robot being controlled. I prefer to enjoy life and have the freedom/freewill to do what I want.
4) many other reasons, such as the conundrum i gave you at the start of my post, etc.etc.etc.

OMG · 02-21-2007, 08:31 PM

The only thing that would spur me to be that illogical is fear, or some other intense emotion.
And I know that fear and other intense emotions make you behave irrationally, so I recognize when my decisions are starting to get affected by emotion, and I try to wait till the intense emotion is gone before i make a final decision.
I doubt many religions would exist without generating intense emotions to cloud your judgement. IE. fear of god, fear of death, fear of hell, fear of the unknown of what happens after death, potential love by a being that knows every single thing about you(and still loves you), potential eternal bliss in heaven, satisfaction in believing that you are doing the right thing in existance, etc, etc, etc, bla bla bla.
If you are not afraid of any of these fears, then I highly doubt *anyone* (not just me) would believe in god, or creationsism, or any other silly concepts.
Nobody believes in santa except kids because it is proven to them eventaully that he doesnt actaully exist. But I bet if there were some intense fears or something else surrounding the santa clause belief and people always saying that its true, people would believe in santa. LOL i made myself laugh