Creationism in schools - Page 10

romansh · 12-30-2007, 02:56 PM

Your welcome

I would like to take the credit but it should go to Og
His posts I find very interesting
all the best

AB517 · 12-30-2007, 07:47 PM

I deletedmy post.

I just saw that maybe was banned.

good luck to you maybe.

AB517 · 12-30-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by comacausey

K thats long. I'm at minute 48, and I'm running out of time. I will post more later. Thanks for the direction though its really good stuff. He definitely helps me see the Evolution side of things, with a very good scientific explanation. I especially like the part about irreducibly complex systems. So I guess what the issue is, is that there is a large body of evidence for the theory of evolution that all fits within the current definition of science theory. The problem with intelligent design is that the body of evidence that is referenced does not fall within the current definition of science, but rather within the realm of mysticism. I could agree with that, so therefore I can understand why Intelligent Design should not be mentioned as a scientific theory in a science class.

I often wonder though if Mysticism itself could be examined in a scientific way?
I guess thats for another thread tho...

Once again thanks Romansh.

the problem with ID is that they don't use evolution.
I do not know what they are afraid of.

Og · 12-30-2007, 08:15 PM

They're not afraid of anything. They just want control of a political block. ID is an ideological movement, not anything that has to do with the search for truth. By linking things like gay marriage and ID teaching, people can manipulate a huge block of ignorant voters.

It's finely tuned and calculated for a specific outcome in the political arena. Science and evolution have to do with repeatable observations that all can experience and reproduce. No one has monopoly on the truth there.

With ID, its all about the controversy and nothing else.

AB517 · 12-31-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Og

They're not afraid of anything. They just want control of a political block. ID is an ideological movement, not anything that has to do with the search for truth. By linking things like gay marriage and ID teaching, people can manipulate a huge block of ignorant voters.

It's finely tuned and calculated for a specific outcome in the political arena. Science and evolution have to do with repeatable observations that all can experience and reproduce. No one has monopoly on the truth there.

With ID, its all about the controversy and nothing else.

I agree with this as far as the leaders are concerned.

What confuse me though are the regular people. People like my neighbors. I went to a men’s group at a Presbyterian church and a guy said he minored in paleontology and he thinks the science is hog wash and that the bible is the truth. I really could not believe it. I was so stunned that I did not even know what to say.

But it is fear Og. Fear and shame drive a lot of what we see in people.

comacausey · 01-03-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AB517

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Originally Posted by Og

They're not afraid of anything. They just want control of a political block. ID is an ideological movement, not anything that has to do with the search for truth. By linking things like gay marriage and ID teaching, people can manipulate a huge block of ignorant voters.

It's finely tuned and calculated for a specific outcome in the political arena. Science and evolution have to do with repeatable observations that all can experience and reproduce. No one has monopoly on the truth there.

With ID, its all about the controversy and nothing else.

I agree with this as far as the leaders are concerned.

What confuse me though are the regular people. People like my neighbors. I went to a men’s group at a Presbyterian church and a guy said he minored in paleontology and he thinks the science is hog wash and that the bible is the truth. I really could not believe it. I was so stunned that I did not even know what to say.

But it is fear Og. Fear and shame drive a lot of what we see in people.

I think you are right in some cases, but in some cases people just pick the easy route. Like what their parents believed is good enough for them. No reason to reinvent your view of the universe. People are really good at lying and some people grow up in an environment in which they learn it so well, that they can lie to themselves. Add in a touch of Ego and you have a "steadfast believer". I am always impressed with people who are raised one way but believe something that they found on their own. I think that is the true nature of humanity to seek the unknown. It bothers me though when people claim to know the unknowable, and are willing to defend it to the detriment of others. That kind of intolerance is what fed socially destructive things like the dark ages, and WWII. I hope that we aren't headed for one of those again.