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well, since neither way is proven, should not both possibilities be taught?

in a debate, nobody will learn anything from listening if both debaters are on the same side, or if only one is present.

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Proof is not the point. Evidence is the point. I'm so sick and tired of people not getting this. Evolution is not a SIDE in some stupid argument. Evolution is the best description of the body of EVIDENCE. There are no sides to evidence in this case. If you have evidence, publish it, apply it to the theory of evolution and the theory gets modified.

There's no frickin sides. There's what's observed. That's all.

This crap about "both sides" really appeals to the fair play nature of freedom loving american citizens. It makes a lot of sense. And that's how ID is manipulating the field. They've even got the president commenting about "both sides"... ID is NOT a side. ID has no evidence to back it up. If there is evidence, then present it. The theory is not called evolution because someone made it up, it's called evolution because that's a word that describes the observed processes! Good grief.

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Tell me why science which God created, should not be included. That is totaly illogical right there. I am glad that is in schools, and you know what, let me read you an article:

"The vast majority of ancient history texts written during the twentieth century contained an overwhelming bias in favor of interpreting history from a secular and evolutionary perspective. This bias explains why modern history books rarely attempt to show the relevance of the Bible to the interpretation of historical events or personalities.

Thankfully, many students of history in recent years have begun to question the validity of historical interpretations that deny the existence of a personal Creator and assume that all of history can be explained and examined solely on the basis of humanistic/scientific terms. The secular world view that has dominated the study of history for the last hundred years is now in trouble.

The humanistic approach to historical interpretation has begun to self-destruct primarily because it provides students with a host of questions that have no adequate answers. The study of history on purely secular terms forces a student to conclude that our planet, and mankind in general, has no ultimate meaning or purpouse. History is therefore reduced to a study of arbitrary and random events that have no ultimate significance. A cosmos of change and chaos is all that secular historians can offer the minds of men. no wonder the secular world view is beginning to crumble.

The opening of the twenty-first century provides great opportunities for those who believe that the only qdequate method of historical interpretation is through the spectacles of the revealed will of God-the Holy Scriptures.

Advancement in scientific technology and archaeology will continue to reveal the fact that Biblical record is both reliable and authoritive for faith and life. The marvelous wonders of Creation and human history constantly remind us of the reality f our Diving Creator and force us to admit that He is the focal point of all history-not man."

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Man faith. I find it so incredibly ironic that you post this stuff on an electronic message board on the internet via a PC somewhere.

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Excuse me hypocrit? Have nothing to say so you just say something hipocritical when you are posting "this stuff" of science on an electronic message board via a PC somewhere?

You are pretty good at changing the subject when you are wrong.

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The secular world view is in troble, because kids are realising that evolution has no proof and that it forces them to believe that they have no ultimate purpouse.

It will collapse, I assure you

Og

Changing the subject? I found it ironic that you were using the pinnacle of human connectivity technology (the internet) to deliver these messages about the failures of technology. That was the irony I was referring to. It seemed to me that it was in line with the subject of the thread. (i.e. the rejection of science).


Also, you are correct. Evolution has no proof.

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Faith

Matthew 7:6

"Do not give what is holy to dogs-they will only turn and attack you. Do not throw your pearls in front of pigs-they will only trample them underfoot"

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I know I know.. I keep trying though, even in spite of these words of jesus.

Actually, I guess this perfectly describes my behavior. I can not continue discussion with you. You reject, out of hand, any kind of reasoned discourse. You trample the pearls. You're just deluded about who's the swine here.

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Matthew 10-20

10And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

12Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

13But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

14Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

15Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

16And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

17Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.