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Old 12-23-2006, 08:28 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Well, I'd disagree on that. They can criticize Him with the same mindset you would have criticizing superman.

I think jbost4 was arguing that God's nature is illogical and He therefore doesn't exist; not just criticizing Him.

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Old 12-23-2006, 08:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Well, I'd disagree on that. They can criticize Him with the same mindset you would have criticizing superman.

I think jbost4 was arguing that God's nature is illogical and He therefore doesn't exist; not just criticizing Him.

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I would not critisize superman because he is a fiction character. Living matter lives to die therefore death is illogical to life and yet death and life are real happenings.
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I would not critisize superman because he is a fiction character. Living matter lives to die therefore death is illogical to life and yet death and life are real happenings.
Well its your personal conviction not to waste your time criticizing characters you see to be fictional. Not everybody shares it.

Living matter lives to die- It doesn't live for the purpose of dying. It does die though.
Death is illogical to life- You mean life finds death to be illogical?
Death and life are real happening things- Agreed

I'm not sure what you're getting at. :P
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:49 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Well its your personal conviction not to waste your time criticizing characters you see to be fictional. Not everybody shares it.

Living matter lives to die- It doesn't live for the purpose of dying. It does die though.
Death is illogical to life- You mean life finds death to be illogical?
Death and life are real happening things- Agreed

I'm not sure what you're getting at. :P
It is not a personal conviction as much as it is an acknowledgement of the fictional characters creator. Knowing that superman was created according to the purposes of his creator makes it foolish for me to critisize superman.

Living matter lives to die unless you consider the knowledge of God that the living will live again and therefore death from this state of living to a permanent state of living is logical.
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A little basic human biology, when a baby is developing the sex is not apparent at the start. It evolves and develops as the fetus develops. So whether you believe a creator started this genetic evolution or that it just happened on its own, evolution is a part of our basic human biology.

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Hey, I agree with Glory B. Evolution is a part of us all and our development.
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A little basic human biology, when a baby is developing the sex is not apparent at the start. It evolves and develops as the fetus develops. So whether you believe a creator started this genetic evolution or that it just happened on its own, evolution is a part of our basic human biology.

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That is not evolution that you explained. You have explained biological development.

The ToE has been disproved by Bodhitharta's law of Non-Synchronistic Random Mutations which states that there can be no Synchronistic Random Mutations in nature. All random mutations must be Non-synchronistic

as expressed mathematically N=rm where N is Non-Synchronistic, r is random and m is mutations.

To achieve a reproductive pair in evolution such as a hen/rooster pairing it would require SRMs. SRMs cammot occur in nature and therefore would violate Bodhitharta's law and hence could not happen via the ToE.

Also note a hen is reproduced via a fertilized egg which requires a rooster and a rooster is also reproduced via a fertilized egg. No hen no egg, no rooster no fertilization and no egg no hen or rooster.
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Here's the thing about evolution: Things happen by random. Yes, by random. Things that we have now came about from many, MANY errors. Animals that had certain parts or lacked certain parts were killed or starved or something and those that had certain parts or lacked certain parts survived and continued to reproduce more things like itself. This is called survival of the fittest. We do not know how life began, but we do know that animals did indeed evolve. And the Q'uran was not written in English, therefore the A.L.LA.H. thing makes no sense. You could probably do that with anything. Animals. Land. Lakes. Air. Heaven. There is no proof that God exists. And just because something is complex, it doesn't mean that God created it. You say that evolution cannot be proven. Well, God creating everything cannot be proven, either.
QUOTE=Bodhitharta;2781]In your own experience in life you know that it takes intelligence to make all containers, the body is no different.

If you believe in evolution you have to believe that everything random happened in pairs. 2 lungs, 2 eyes, 2 kidneys, 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands, 2 feet, 2 nostrils, 2 ears the odds of that being random is to staggering too mention so don't be condused. What about 5 senses, 5 tastes, 5 vowel sounds 5 fingers, 5 toes, five main extensions (Arm, Leg Leg, Arm, Head) which happens to spell out ALLAH. God is Real and precise.[/quote]
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Here's the thing about evolution: Things happen by random. Yes, by random. Things that we have now came about from many, MANY errors. Animals that had certain parts or lacked certain parts were killed or starved or something and those that had certain parts or lacked certain parts survived and continued to reproduce more things like itself. This is called survival of the fittest. We do not know how life began, but we do know that animals did indeed evolve. And the Q'uran was not written in English, therefore the A.L.LA.H. thing makes no sense. You could probably do that with anything. Animals. Land. Lakes. Air. Heaven. There is no proof that God exists. And just because something is complex, it doesn't mean that God created it. You say that evolution cannot be proven. Well, God creating everything cannot be proven, either.
QUOTE=Bodhitharta;2781]In your own experience in life you know that it takes intelligence to make all containers, the body is no different.

If you believe in evolution you have to believe that everything random happened in pairs. 2 lungs, 2 eyes, 2 kidneys, 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands, 2 feet, 2 nostrils, 2 ears the odds of that being random is to staggering too mention so don't be condused. What about 5 senses, 5 tastes, 5 vowel sounds 5 fingers, 5 toes, five main extensions (Arm, Leg Leg, Arm, Head) which happens to spell out ALLAH. God is Real and precise.[/quote]
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hmmm I don't think things happen randomly. It's all about a creature adapting to their respective environments. Things in caves tend to loose their eyes in favor of their other senses, etc. Not everything is random. Hell even we adopted these find minds for some odd reason.
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