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Old 08-28-2006, 09:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This topic is hot hot hot in school curriculum and textbook circles. Soem folks say that creationism is a legitimate theory exactly like evolution. Other folks say it is merely a new name for an old religious belief, in an attempt to "scientifiize" the religion so the schools can teach it.

Where do you fall on the question of what should be taught in schools?
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Old 08-28-2006, 10:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Creationism does not stand up to the scientific definition of a theory and has no place in a public school. Honestly, it's got more in common with the very definition of strawman than the definiton of theory.

Evolution is one of many scientific theories which has an actual basis in science and therefore has a place in science classes.

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Old 08-29-2006, 08:55 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm totally with you Taiarain. A theory is a lot more than just a "good idea." There are people out there who think 'intelligent design' means that aliens formed the earth and created everything as a big science experiment. What would the Xians think if that were taught in schools?
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We should never limit what is taught. Teach everything! Expand the mind! Teach tolerance of new ideas and learn to entertain all thoughts without excepting them!!
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Old 08-29-2006, 11:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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We should never limit what is taught. Teach everything! Expand the mind! Teach tolerance of new ideas and learn to entertain all thoughts without excepting them!!
That theory may be alittle awkward in mathematics. 2+2 = brown
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Creation should be discussed in schools. Both sides of the coin should be addressed. Besides what would it hurt. Since much of the things that are taught on the scientific level of creations is all in theory.

What really would be the difference if creationism is taught? At this moment science can not disprove it. Nor can they prove the big bang, dwarin or any other scientific theory.
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Both sides of the coin should be addressed.
Both???
Try several hundred. The school year is far too short to teach them all. So then we're bacjk to what do we choose to talk about in the limited time we have, and why? Just because someone yelled louder than someone else?
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Both sides can be taught within 3 weeks or less. The creation is usually taught at the beginning of most basic biology classes. In fact I think only 1- 2chapters really ever cover evolution. So if done properly can be covered.

And it is never a matter of who yells the loudest. But teaching other possibilities - isnt that what science is about? Besides - How many theories of evolution does Science already have? The big bang theory, the dwarin theory, So why not creation?

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Creation should be discussed in schools.
With regard to publicly funded schools, I disagree.

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Both sides of the coin should be addressed.
Both sides of what coin?

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Besides what would it hurt.
Do you mean aside from the students whose educations were being sacrificed?

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Since much of the things that are taught on the scientific level of creations is all in theory.
Three points: "Creations" have no business in a science class. The scientific theories are scientific theories; they are theories that have been tested and reinforced by the scientific method. Creationism and ID do not fit the bill - they don't stand up to the scientific method.

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What really would be the difference if creationism is taught?
What would really be the difference if the Flying Spaghetti Monster's creation story were taught? You know, aside from the masquerading of religion as science in a classroom, the contradiction to actual principles of science (ie, the scientific method), the waste of student time, and the factual education sacrificed in the name of preventing the adherents of a single religion from having to reconcile science and faith?

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At this moment science can not disprove it.
At this moment, I cannot disprove that you are a purple unicorn. Should we spend tax dollars teaching that in school?

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Nor can they prove the big bang, dwarin or any other scientific theory.
You are absolutely correct here. That is precisely why the Big Bang is a theory - it cannot be proven. (I'm not sure what you mean by dwarin? Are you talking about Darwin? I'm pretty sure science can prove him. I mean, his grave could be dug up, but I digress.) It is a theory because it cannot be proven, though it can be reproduced in experimentation and does stand up to the scientific method. Two things that Creationism and ID cannot do.

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What would really be the difference if the Flying Spaghetti Monster's creation story were taught? You know, aside from the masquerading of religion as science in a classroom, the contradiction to actual principles of science (ie, the scientific method), the waste of student time, and the factual education sacrificed in the name of preventing the adherents of a single religion from having to reconcile science and faith?
I'm assuming from what you said here that you believe there to be absolute truths in the world. Creationism and spaghetti monsters shouldn't be taught in schools because they are not the truth, right? Only the Truth should be taught in schools becuase that is the ONLY thing that is real. Is this what you are saying? I wonder, do you apply this mentality to other areas of your life as well? Is there only one way to God? Is there a right and a wrong? Can you tell me how to live my life based on the one absolute Truth? Or is what's true for you different to what's true for me? I'm interested becuase you sound pretty certain that this one absolute truth (evolution) is true and nothing else is.

If this is true (that there are absolute Truths in the world), I'd be interested to hear what you think the absolute Truth about God is. Since, as you have said, there can only be one truth, there can only be one way to God? What is it?

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