JoeCamaro

Today I celebrate Charles Darwin's birthday. This day should be a Holiday dont you think?
It would have been Charles' 199 bday.

Have a nice day and keep evolving!

JC

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GI

I think you need to think a bit more deeply than that.
Darwinism doesn't explain life origin, links between organisms at all (see 'Does God exist?' thread in philosophy section). Possibly even just simply 're-visit' Einstein quotes (you seem keen on) and take this one:

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind." - Albert Einstein

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WilliamBlue

Yes, Happy Darwin day, although it seems as if some of us refuse to evolve and thus self induced ignorance continues.

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GI

The human has MICROevolved from a more basic 'animal' in the Savanna and some of us continue to evolve intellectually by looking at the evidence.

My one and only piece of relevant evidence [for an Aristotelian God] is the apparent impossibility of providing a naturalistic theory of the origin from DNA of the first reproducing species ... [In fact] the only reason which I have for beginning to think of believing in a First Cause god is the impossibility of providing a naturalistic account of the origin of the first reproducing organisms - Anthony Flew, the world famous atheistic philosopher.

Follow the evidence and don't be ignorant, be Agnostic, some of you here doon't know what the hell that means!

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GI

Instead of coming out with sarcastic comments like that, why don't you actually explain why you have your Darwinism faith? Why not explain to us all how the origin of life and links between classes of animals took place. You can't, your answer will simply be 'the proof is there if you undertsand science' but you will NEVER ever be able to explain to us why you think you are right because you just have blind faith in the matter, just like other organised religions.

http://www.pssiinternational.com/list.pdf

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WilliamBlue

I already tried to show you, but it is obvious to anyone that your mind is made up, thus the comment. You never did answer me if you believed in (non-)intelligent design?

Your list is unimpressive, what thats about maybe a 1000 people and collected from all over the world, I would of expected better. All it proves is that you can go to college and still be ignorant.

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Og

Ahhhh yes.. a person specializing in "philosophy of religion" is qualified to make detailed statements about a naturalistic theory of the origin of the first reproducing species?

I assume that you're claiming that this "Analytic Philosopher's" views should immediately counter that of the molecular and evolutionary biology community. Just being opposed to someone's statement doesn't make you part of an argument. You need facts.

What exactly makes it "apparently impossible" that life arose from basic molecules increasing in complexity? It seems quite clear to me (someone with much applied molecular biology and physics in my background) that it's quite feasible that self assembling macromolecules grew in complexity and that random changes where rectified towards survival by the stresses of environments in order to produce modern life.

What exactly qualifies this philosopher to make such a pronouncement? Furthermore, it is clearly in conflict with modern molecular biology and genetics, so why should we accept his declaration over that of the people who specifically devote their lives to this topic?

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Og

Heh.. Physicians and Surgeons who dissent from darwinism. Wow... Another group of people to whom I can say, "who cares?"

Furthermore, there is no proof of any of what science claims. There is only evidence. Science does not deal in proof.

I can offer you a direct molecular evidence of the divergence of species as mapped by a highly conserved element of our biochemical makeup.

http://www.agnosticforums.com/evolut...apped-out.html

That's a post by me a while back that illustrates the sequence homology between species involving potassium ion channels in our cell membranes. These are crucial tools for cell activity in virtually all animals and the sequences are clearly related between all animals. The researchers in the peer reviewed study that I linked there illustrate how multiple elements of the potassium channel have been duplicated and mutated over time as species have diverged.

Studying the mutation of these various elements of our genome in conserved regions allows us to determine similarity of creatures and "time since divergence" between species. I linked a neat little graphic with the tree of life mapped out based on these potassium ion channels.

Of course, 'the proof is there if you understand science', so get with understanding the science. Ironically, "science" is latin for "knowledge/understanding"... So your statement about "understanding the science" is redundant. Science IS understanding.

Cheers

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JoeCamaro

Think platypus, echidnas, Archaeopteryx, etc.

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AB517

AHHHH.
DNA: a running code.
Solves every new problem that arises.
Thanks for more evidence.
I use ATP production, but I am sure this mechanism is just more evidence.


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