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12-27-2007, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by harleylove  I'm just curious, if you believe God created the universe but not a religious God, what are your beliefs?
Wow, this is a lengthy answer. I will keep it short.
I mean that no one religion owns God.
What ever that idea would mean to you. | Heck, I was really hoping for the lengthy response, I enjoy reading non traditional beliefs.
If I leave your response to my own interpretation, it would be that you are a theist or deist who believes in God but not a set religion.
Then again,I refer to God at times but I am referring to the Universe.
Sorry not quite sure what to make of your response but thanks for your reply anyway.
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12-27-2007, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Og The notion of god as a separate actor/being on an ultimate scale is demonstrably false. That is not the way the UNIverse works. | We disagree here.
Unless you are talking about a religious God, then I agree.
It is not demonstrably false. This is just flat out wrong.
Could you please explain what you mean?
If you know how the universe works ... your the first. | The notion of an entity with intrinsic identity is illusion. A flower is made up 100% of non flower parts. Same with a tornado and a person and a deity. All things are entirely defined by extrinsic characteristics.
Defining something with intrinsic identity is just a convention that is used as a local reference. Nothing has intrinsic identity in the universe. Thus the notion of a being (i.e. a thing with intrinsic identity) is false. Thus the notion of a god as an entity separate from you/me/the universe is false (as I said above).
This is called dependent origination. All things dependently arise from all other things. All is one. Just as weather systems come together to form a tornado, all "things" are produced by the confluence of other things ad infinitum until you see the universe as a single process. |
This is the reason that I do not believe in God as an entity and believe in evolution.
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12-28-2007, 01:27 AM
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Habib say none of this matters you all going to die anyways you dieing people | |
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12-28-2007, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Habib Habeeb Habib say none of this matters you all going to die anyways you dieing people | welcome habib ... surely you meant
none of this matters we are going to die anyways we dieing people .... 
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12-28-2007, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Habib Habeeb Habib say none of this matters you all going to die anyways you dieing people | welcome habib ... surely you meant
none of this matters we are going to die anyways we dieing people .... | Dying people
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12-28-2007, 06:19 AM
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I'm not sure how to take that message but I'll take it as sincere.
Of course it matters, it's this mentality that keeps people from living. Too many people go through their lives living as if they are already dead, waiting for some grand garden, heaven, paradise. It is here, we are in heaven and not only is God with you, God is you and you are God as well as loved ones and strangers. It's about not only loving your loved ones and neighbors, it's about loving and embracing YOURSELF. The message is extremely powerful and empowering and needs to be heard.
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12-28-2007, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by harleylove I'm not sure how to take that message but I'll take it as sincere. | Hi Harleylove
I'm half way through my second Campbell book.
I can't say I disagree with what I have read (can't say I have taken it to heart either.) But I am listening.
Poor Habib ...... I'm afraid he has not come here to listen.
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12-28-2007, 05:12 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XonibAr8Cc4
I found a really good video on youtube about the 2nd Law Of Thermodynamics.
I think it explains the complex idea quite well, without becoming meaningless. | |
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12-28-2007, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by harleylove I'm not sure how to take that message but I'll take it as sincere. | Hi Harleylove
I'm half way through my second Campbell book.
I can't say I disagree with what I have read (can't say I have taken it to heart either.) But I am listening.
Poor Habib ...... I'm afraid he has not come here to listen. | Hi Romansh.
Recommended by Og, I read Campbell's Myths of Light but have not had much opportunity to read any further. I think I would enjoy reading more of a philosophical book by him if he even has one. I just go by what feels right and is logical to me and I am listening just like you. 
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12-30-2007, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Og The notion of god as a separate actor/being on an ultimate scale is demonstrably false. That is not the way the UNIverse works. | We disagree here.
Unless you are talking about a religious God, then I agree.
It is not demonstrably false. This is just flat out wrong.
Could you please explain what you mean?
If you know how the universe works ... your the first. | The notion of an entity with intrinsic identity is illusion. A flower is made up 100% of non flower parts. Same with a tornado and a person and a deity. All things are entirely defined by extrinsic characteristics.
Defining something with intrinsic identity is just a convention that is used as a local reference. Nothing has intrinsic identity in the universe. Thus the notion of a being (i.e. a thing with intrinsic identity) is false. Thus the notion of a god as an entity separate from you/me/the universe is false (as I said above).
This is called dependent origination. All things dependently arise from all other things. All is one. Just as weather systems come together to form a tornado, all "things" are produced by the confluence of other things ad infinitum until you see the universe as a single process. | I understand this.
I see the conclusion differently it but I see how you can come up this misunderstanding. | |
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