greywolf90

"i am a believing science guy"

so does this mean that you believe in evolution and intellegent design?

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romansh

Entropy is a scientist's measure of randomness.... greater the entropy greater the randomness.
other definitions given include .... these may give a better sense of the second law.

In an isolated system, a process can occur only if it increases the total entropy of the system.
Heat cannot spontaneously flow from a material at lower temperature to a material at higher temperature.
It is impossible to convert heat completely into work.

this is after two minutes research on Wiki????

regarding rotation of the planets.....by your argument... weather patterns should always spin in the same direction of earth? In practice ....opposite directions north and south of the equator....why friction and turbulence.
Similar arguments would apply in space.

If I had to invoke god everytime I did not understand something?
all the best

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being Christmas Day ..... I googled second law of thermodynamics and god and found this. I think it fairly accurately represents the science and does it with a Christian perspective. I'd be interested in your thoughts on this article DC

Hope you are having a good Christmas.

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AB517

I believe God created the Universe.
I am not shore believing is how I would describe the observations of nature.
I believe we are capable of understanding the laws of the universe.
God hides nothing from us. It is man that hides and obscures the truth.

It seems the universe is running on the laws that science observes.

Og

The notion of god as a separate actor/being on an ultimate scale is demonstrably false. That is not the way the UNIverse works.

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AB517

We disagree here.

Unless you are talking about a religious God, then I agree.

It is not demonstrably false. This is just flat out wrong.
Could you please explain what you mean?
If you know how the universe works ... your the first.

harleylove

I'm just curious, if you believe God created the universe but not a religious God, what are your beliefs?


Thanks

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AB517

[quote=harleylove;22459]I'm just curious, if you believe God created the universe but not a religious God, what are your beliefs?

Wow, this is a lengthy answer. I will keep it short.

I mean that no one religion owns God.
What ever that idea would mean to you.

greywolf90

this sounds like a good way of preventing religious intolerance. i wonder how much fighting there would still be if more religious people had this type of philosophy.

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Og

The notion of an entity with intrinsic identity is illusion. A flower is made up 100% of non flower parts. Same with a tornado and a person and a deity. All things are entirely defined by extrinsic characteristics.

Defining something with intrinsic identity is just a convention that is used as a local reference. Nothing has intrinsic identity in the universe. Thus the notion of a being (i.e. a thing with intrinsic identity) is false. Thus the notion of a god as an entity separate from you/me/the universe is false (as I said above).

This is called dependent origination. All things dependently arise from all other things. All is one. Just as weather systems come together to form a tornado, all "things" are produced by the confluence of other things ad infinitum until you see the universe as a single process.

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greywolf90

when you talk about god, i am going to assume that by "god," you are meaning the source that everything came from. so my question is how can something be called the "origin" if it was made of something else?

i'd also like to point out that i don't see god as something physical, such as a flower or a tornado. i see god as more of a human concept, such as good and evil. i don't think evil is exactly "made" of other things.

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