AB517

How sad our father is in heaven reading this. The vastness of his creation put in one book assembled by men. Look at the heavens and the Earth and know the truth of him is in all you see. You limit infinity by holding to the confines of a book. The devil, my son, would have you think you hold in your hands all you need to know of God.

Stagnate water chokes on it self.

Peace

MAYBE

You sound angry William

Gods word can sooth your sould when you are feeling troubled


peace friend

AB517

Do not be afraid my child.
Release your grasp on this world.
We stand with you as one.

You see with your eyes;
perceive with your mind.
With every beat of your heart he calls to you.

WilliamBlue

Nope, not angry, just wonderin' what you are trying to accomplish here? What is your purpose for coming here? As a lot of us see you as a troll and incapable of discussing anything in depth, this is typical of many christian fundies. Maybe you really are just here to get attention? If that is the case you are sicker than I thought.

Unlike others I do not respect you for your persistence, all I see is another person who has fallen into the group of fundamentalist and like their peers, has pretty much lost their mind. So basically I see you as an insane mad man, probably harmless, but still insane. I also see you as waste, as a mad man you are not much help to the human race.

To me, fundies of all religions are not much more than a bag of rocks dragging at the heel of mankind, so yeah that makes me a little angry, rightly so I believe. Don't get me wrong, morally you are probably mostly correct in your actions, but again you do not need religion to have morals, you just need to treat people as you would like to be treated.

I do wish you would either go away or engage in some real discussion of the issues that people have with your religion, but then you might have to admit that there are issues and that could jeopardize your membership in your little club. Although this is highly unlikely as insane people never admit...

Oh yeah, I am not your friend, more like a concerned onlooker.

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tommi atkins

For Joseph Smiths's sake! Stop trying to chase off the fundies!
Who are we going to debate with!
Mayby, your very welcome here. However, can you get down to answering some of the meat of peoples posts rather than just boggeling at how anyone can possibly not accept god.
Your on a aggy's forum, so the majority are not going to accept god just because you tell us Jesus is our lord and saviour and if we accept him then we have sure and certain hope for life everlasting. We all know the teachings, they just generally make no sense when slightly prodded.

You will be far better off tackling the posters replies with logic, so get in there and answer away!

Astral

Wow... this is such a nice and juicy thread!

Evolution is completely non-compatible with creationism.

Genesis 1
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

If the Bible is taken into account then quite frankly evolution is tossed out on its head, and in the first Book of the Bible no less. Darwin would have done well to at least crack the bible open to see these passages up front. Personally I would not rely on religious and scientific comparisons from a person that never gave the first book of the bible any thought in his summations.

No matter how much time is given it will NEVER be possible for a life form to accidentally be created. The sheer complexity of even the most basic life form is far beyond our concepts still. If we really knew all that much about life then Pharmacology and Drugs would be much more accurate and effective than they are now. If you look at most of the package inserts of many Legend drugs you will find that they all state that the exact mechanism of action is NOT KNOWN!

Our understanding of Genetics and Biochemistry is barely scratching the surface. We are making absurd observations regarding evolution with our meager knowledge.

I would also like to mention... the archaeological and fossil records do not in any way indicate evolution exists. We barely have a coffin full of so call bridges between species and every one of them can easily be attributed to genetic deformations that are already proven to exist and quite frankly also carry a nasty side effect of reducing life spans or debilitating the subject. In often cases these debilitating features directly indicate that the genetic deformation is unsuitable for any viable life form. We also already have records of scientists knowingly providing false research and performing theatrical tricks like fitting ape jaw bones with human skull caps and calling them scientific evidence of evolution. This is nothing more than pseudoscience and unfortunately a large part of our Scientific Community. All to often, just as in politics, little lies like these are forgivable and forgettable so long as it supports the "doctrine" of current secular advances.

In order for the fossil record to support evolution we should find masses of odds and ends not just a couple of oddities.

greywolf90

i personally believe that evolution is true and that everything was created.

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tommi atkins

Can you elaborate a bit wolfy?

greywolf90

does anyone know why Maybe was banned? i didn't know that he actually broke any rules.

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greywolf90

well i personally don't see why evolution should be wrong. all organisms grow and evolve over time. so if a species can evolve to where a specific trait is common in the entire species (natural selection), then why can a species not evolve into another species? to the point, my idea of evolution is that if different species share a genetic trait (such as they both have gills, or they both have wings) then the species could have come from a common ancestor.

i believe that everything could have been designed puposefully because life seems to run in perfect cycles. the water cycle, the carbon cycle, etc. predaters eat prey, the dead predaters feed the earth, and the prey eats plants from the earth. our bodys seem to function in cycles. cells replicate. in cellular respiration, we actually use ATP in order to create ATP. i think the question: "which came first, chicken or egg?" is the most fascinating wuestion, because it can be applied to any of these cycles. when did any of them begin. life replicates and reproduces, but if life creates life, then how did the cycle begin? where did the first life come from? these are the questions that have lead me to believe that we were created by something that we do not understand (you can call it god if you want).

so i believe in a god or origin or creater. as for genisis, i do not think that a bunch of dirt miraculously became a human. it seems more likely to me that we were created, but by evolution which was designed by god. if god caused life to be, then i think it also caused that life to grow and evolve into the world we see today. i think this is sufficient elaborating of my theory. this is why i thank evolution and creationism can be compatible. i do not belong to a specific religion, so i do not pretend to know or understand the mysteries of life. this is just my interpretation. i am sort of a wierd christian-agnostic mix.

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